Guide to Each Way Betting (with Q+A)

  • With Cheltenham coming up, I’ve decided to write this guide and the subsequent thread to hopefully stop other threads getting hijacked by E/W betting. So all questions in here please.
    I’ve deliberately put this in the matched betting forum instead of the newbie forum because I don’t see it as a newbie skill. No offence to any newcomers, but there really is a knack to this. You have to be very confident with horse betting before you do this because if it goes wrong, it can go VERY wrong. You have been warned. Also, this needs quite a big float (1K+) so if you’re just starting out, look away now.

    Each way betting is used for two main reasons, when there is an extra place race and when there is what bookies call a “bad each way race”
    hopefully you have read Matts guide to extra places
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/extra-place-offers/

    but i’ll quickly go through the basics. First things first, When you place the bet you will notice that double the stake is taken. This is because when you bet each way you are actually placing two bets, one to win and one to place. Once you have placed your back bet, you now have to place TWO lay bets, one to cover the win part and one for the place part. Obviously, the value of each is half of your original back bet. You need to find the terms of the race and find out how many places they are paying, and at what fraction of odds. This is usually clearly stated.

    To find the place odds (in decimal odds), you subtract 1, divide by the fraction of odds, then add the 1 back on.

    Lets take Gubstar, who’s being offered at 16/1 with 1/4 place odds and 3 places.

    16/1 = 17 decimal
    17-1 = 16,
    /4 = 4
    +1 = 5
    so the place odds for Gubstar is 5.

    just to be redundant, here’s a harder one

    say he’s going off at 11/4 and its only 1/5 odds

    11/4 = 3.75 decimal
    -1 = 2.75
    /5 = 0.55
    +1 = 1.55
    so now his odds to place are 1.55

    Now you know the place odds being offered you can easily compare them to the exchange and lay accordingly.

    Doing an extra place race is pretty straight-forward, find a horse with close odds, back, lay, hope! Its usually much better to do several horses over several bookies for these offers to increase your chances of hitting the extra place. Don’t forget, most gubbed accounts can still do the extra place offers.

    To take advantage of a bad each race (E/W arbing) you have to understand how it works. Basically a bookie will offer very short odds on the favourite, and unfairly long odds on the others. That is fine on the win market, maybe the other horses really don’t have a chance (especially Gubstar), but because the other horses have a very good chance of coming second or third, by offering a fraction of the odds for the win, the numbers just don’t work anymore. Therefore the odds offered by the exchange are a much truer reflection of the odds on a horse placing, and much shorter than the bookie offers by default because of the combined nature of the each way bet. I hope that makes sense.

    The things to look for in a bad each way race is a very very short favourite (about 2.8 and below), a couple of hopefuls (around 4/1ish) and a few complete outsiders (100/1+)

    There’s a couple of ways to play these, either back and lay straight away, or you can back early and lay much closer to the off. The price almost always comes in sharply around ten- five minutes before the race and it takes nerves of steel (again not for newbies). You can also choose to fully lay to guarantee profit, or underlay to win more if you place and break even if you don’t.

    The problem with this approach is the danger of non-runners, which are two-fold.

    First, the bookie will apply “rule 4” which is where they will cut the odds AFTER YOU HAVE BET to take account of the fact there is less competition. This is fine if you have backed and laid at the same time as the exchange will recalculate as well. But if you haven’t, you need to take account of the reduction and lay accordingly. (the bookie will usually list how much they have reduced by on the race page). You can imagine the havok this causes when it happens 3 minutes out and you haven’t laid. It can save a lot of trouble to just underlay when this happens and hope you place.

    Second problem is when you have a race with the number of runners on the threshold of the place market rules. A race of more than 8 will pay out on 3 places but if one or more horses drops out and the number of runners drops below 8, the place odds will drop to 2 BUT THE EXCHANGE WILL STAY THE SAME. I assume this is because people have bet on where it will place, so its not the exact same market. Similarly for a race with 16 down to 15 or less.

    Handy guide to places:

    Handicaps of more than 15 runners 1/4 4
    Handicaps of 12-15 runners 1/4 3
    All other races of more than 8 runners 1/5 3
    All races of 5-7 runners 1/4 2
    All races of less than 5 runners – win only

    When things go wrong.
    Betfair have various markets for various places, and even an each way market, so you might find a lay that is not too much of a loss should things go wrong. You can also keep an eye on what the horses SP will be and hope for a favourable BOG (possibly). Some bookies offer cash out as well.

    Further reading:
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/my-theory-beyond-matched-betting/
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/ew-arbing/
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/early-prices/
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/the-bookie-angel-twitter/

    HTH guys, and please chip in if I’ve missed anything.

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    sleepless 8

    your calcs look right GB, although odds a bit different now
    I checked other main bookies but 365 is the only one doing wo 2 favs.
    Tempted to try it with small stakes of 1/10th on 365 only, but wary of gubbing potential?.

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    sleepless 8

    Is this right?.

    26/7.25 = £13.80ew
    34/7.75 = £12.90ew
    23/6.5 = £15.38ew
    17/5 = £20ew

    Outlay ~£124, min £100 back max.£500+

    So tempting. What you reckon guys?.

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    FoG_BLoG 47

    I’m not convinced sleepless.

    I don’t know if the race is just not right or if there is some other trick to minimise the risk, maybe a small bet on the fav.

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    sleepless 8

    Still tempted though to give it a shot (on £10 returns to start). Definately if I could find another Bookie offering wo Top 2.
    Where’s Dung when you want him?.
    .

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    GEEBEES 0

    sleepless I’m going to monitor for now and see what would have happened in this particular race..Plus don’t want to get my account closed with bet365 by doing 4 horse looks dodgy,,,,

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    FoG_BLoG 47

    It looks really like the 3 favourites will be 1-2-3. It’s unlikely that you will get a payout here on this. Maybe a small punt on Subtle Soldier e/w.

    The rest have just gone to 200/1 it will now cost you £101 for a “guaranteed” £100 back and a big payout £400+ if anything happens Cousin Oscar.

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    FoG_BLoG 47

    When I look at Subtle Soldier it is giving me 19.0 but when I click it I got 26.0 price change. Go back and look and it is still showing 19.0.

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    FoG_BLoG 47

    Nothing there for me on the without market.

    Cousin Oscar was available @ 7/1 last night though 😉

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    sleepless 8

    On my odds I lost
    26/7.25 = £13.80ew= £27.60
    34/7.75 = £12.90ew=£12.90
    23/6.5 = £15.38ew=£30.76
    17/5 = £20ew=£40
    giving total loss £111.26
    Return £12.90 @7.75=£100

    30L between 3rd & 4th. Ever a chance our outsiders would get in the places?. Nope!
    Need outlay to be <£100 for it to work, otherwise stick to ew arbs. Keep looking if time.

    PS didn’t actually bet

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    GEEBEES 0

    oh well we would have lost then on the 1st race already …..Which other bookies do without the 2 favs?????

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    dungpoodle 0

    sorry lads been busy at the mo,,had a look at that race lastnight wasnt sure it would be suitable but you have to keep checking through the morning the prices can go bonkers in or out,,william hills offer without 2 favs but win only and they normally go a better price the shorties than 365 and shorter on the outsiders.off to work shortly so i will have a look if theres anything that catches my eye for saturday

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    dungpoodle 0

    for the one you dont want if backing wo 2favs the next in, you have to look at 3place only markets to edge..i can spot potential races a mile off the night before so i will definately post ,then you need to look again about 10 ish in the morning…be patient if i see a race i will post..good luck guys.

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    GEEBEES 0

    Thanks dungpoodle very interesting read..Think you’ve spotted a good market which can give you the edge over the bookies…
    So need to look for around a 9 runner race just incase we get a non runner and the place odds go to 2 to place..
    Hope i got this right……
    Cheers

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    sleepless 8

    Also Dung said
    “,the race normally needs to be 8to12 runners and usually novice hurdles maidens novice chases certainly not handicaps”,

    Dung – do you only do w/o top2 or can it work w/o top1 if only one other you don’t want?.

    What other bookies do wo top2?. I couldn’t find one for that race. Dung, also did you spread your bets or just go with 365?.

    Appreciate your time Dung.

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    GEEBEES 0

    Sleepless he mentioned william hill but only the win part with them..If we can only do 365 want we be restricted as soon as the bet is settled if we win in our favour….??

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