Buncejar Review

There are many ways of extracting value from the bookies when it comes to horse racing.

The most popular method is matched betting, but there are tipster services which can be profitable too, especially on accounts which are restricted from promotions. It’s not easy to find a service that isn’t a scam and creates proven profit over time.

In early 2019, I experimented with a horse racing system called Buncejar to see if it can deliver cash into the pockets of savvy bettors like us, without needing to use any bonuses.

What is Buncejar?

Buncejar is a horse racing system run by a team of experienced traders. They are able to predict, with decent accuracy, certain horses whose odds are going to reduce in the 18 hours or so before a race begins.

If you already have experience of using betting exchanges for matched betting, you’ll be able to see how this can be used to make money. We can back a horse now, then lay it off later at a shorter price, locking in a guaranteed profit.

How does it work?

Thankfully, it’s a really simple and easy to follow system. Each evening you will receive emails from Buncejar telling you which horses to bet on. The number of emails you get varies and can be as many as 7 or 8 over the course of a few hours.

They tell you the race, the horse, and the odds you want. They list some of the bookies that currently offer those odds. I’ve found that so long as you place your bet within an hour of receiving the email you should have no trouble getting the price they’ve quoted. Sometimes the prices will still be around late into the evening.

The following morning, you’ll receive another email from Buncejar – their ‘Morning Overview’. In this email they’ll tell you how all of their selections from the previous evening are doing, and give advice on how they think the odds might move in the hours leading up to each race.

In their training for new users, they are very clear that you should pick a set time to be logging in and laying off all of your bets each day.

Sometimes the odds have lowered, in which case you can lock in a profit. Sometimes the odds have lengthened, in which case you will be locking in a loss. Because their predictions are correct more often than incorrect, over the course of many races you can generate a profit.

Buncejar - Money Doesn't Grow on Trees (desktop)

Buncejar - Money Doesn't Grow on Trees (mobile)

Why should I use Buncejar?

Members can see a full record of previous tips and a statistical breakdown of how many were winners and how many were losers.

Having been signed up to the service for a while I can see that the records they show are accurate, and based on how they have performed over the past 2+ years you can expect an average profit of 14.69% per trade. With a handful of easy trades to make every day, I’m sure you can see how the profit could build over time for you.

They also provide an easy-to-use cash out calculator and a downloadable profit diary, which help make the system quick and simple to use each day.

What bankroll will I need to get started?

That depends on what stake sizes you intend to use. If you intend to bet only £2 on each selection, then £200 should be more than enough to use Buncejar successfully. As your bankroll builds, you can increase the size of your bets.

The important thing is to be consistent. It’s better to be placing lots of small bets than to be lumping large amounts of your bankroll on individual selections. This is a system designed to build profit over lots of bets and you can’t be sure which Buncejar predictions will prove to be accurate.

Thankfully, most of their selections are the favourite for a race, or occasionally the second favourite. There are no bets on outsiders and the odds tend to be around 3.00 to 4.00.

This is really useful if you only have a small bankroll to commit. It means that your lay bets will only require a few times the size of your back bet, so you won’t need to keep lots of cash in your Betfair or Smarkets account.

If you’re starting with £2 stakes and a bankroll of £200, you can have £100 in your exchange account and £100 ready to deposit with the bookies.

With there being no long odds bets, if you found most of your money moving into bookie accounts or your exchange account, you could withdraw and move it without having to stop using Buncejar while you wait for withdrawals to return to your bank.

Example of me using the system

Step 1: Selections email

Buncejar Selection (desktop)

Buncejar Selection (mobile)

Buncejar email me the evening before the 18:05 at Punchestown, telling me to back City Island at odds of 2.37. They suggest William Hill or Bet365 as they both had odds of 2.37 at the time the email was sent.

Step 2: Place bookmaker bet

William Hill bet (desktop)

William Hill bet (mobile)

I then head over to William Hill to check the odds. The odds are still 2.37, so I back City Island with a stake of £10.00.

Step 3: Morning overview email

Buncejar Morning Overview (desktop)

Buncejar Morning Overview (mobile)

The following day I receive a morning overview email from Buncejar, advising that City Island’s odds are shortening, having already broken through the 2.00 line. I’m advised to wait until closer to the race to get the best lay odds.

Step 4: Place exchange lay bet

Betfair lay bet (desktop)

Smarkets lay bet (desktop)

Betfair lay bet (mobile)

Smarkets lay bet (mobile)

Later that day, I see the lay odds at Betfair and Smarkets have lowered to 1.94. As I have decided to lay off all bets at the same time each day, I decide that I will lay off my bet now rather than waiting to see if the odds get even lower.

Step 5: Calculating my lay stake

Select bet type

Back Bet (Bookie)

%

Lay Bet (Betting Exchange)

%

Min £
Max £
Lay stake required: £
Bookie
Exchange
Cashback
Total
If back (bookie) bet wins
£
£
£
= £
If lay (exchange) bet wins
£
£
£
= £

Total profit: £

Optimal Underlay

Lay stake required: £
Exchange liability: £

If back (bookie) bet wins: £
If lay (exchange) bet wins: £

Optimal Overlay

Lay stake required: £
Exchange liability: £

If back (bookie) bet wins: £
If lay (exchange) bet wins: £

Buncejar provide a calculator for working out lay stakes, but I found it easier to use my matched betting calculator.

If I were to place my lay bet at Smarkets with their commission rate of 2%, the calculator tells me that a lay stake of £12.34 will give me a profit of £2.09-£2.11, depending on the outcome of the race.

That profit is based on a £10.00 bet, so you can see how the profit can grow with larger stakes. A £50.00 bet would have returned a profit of over £10.00.

Can I combine Buncejar with matched betting?

Yes, however, I wouldn’t advise doing this too regularly.

If you are looking to place a bet on a horse in order to qualify for a free bet, you could follow a Buncejar tip when deciding which horse to bet on.

This would definitely increase the value (and your expected profit), but if you’re beating the line and taking advantage of free bets, you are more likely to draw attention from the bookies.

I’m not saying this isn’t a useful strategy to use from time to time, but if you’re doing it several times a week then don’t expect your account to stay unrestricted for very long.

Criticisms

Overall I am very happy with how Buncejar works and the training they provide. I only have two criticisms that I would like to mention.

The first is with their advice on when to lay off bets. In their training they say that you should set a specific time every day to lay off all of your bets.

This advice makes sense as it is much quicker and easier to lay off all of the bets in just a few minutes. This is particularly true if you work during the day and it’s something you are doing on your dinner break.

My gripe is that the ‘Morning Overview’ email sometimes contradicts this advice. Sometimes they’ll suggest that the price will probably move in your favour as the race gets closer. This suggests that you should be keeping an eye on the market and laying that particular bet off at a later time than your ‘set’ time.

If you’re somebody who is interested in trading horse racing markets, you can probably make more money in the long run by using this ‘watch and wait’ strategy. If your time is limited, you’ll need to set a time and stick to it.

My second criticism is that the cash out calculator, while very simple and easy to use, doesn’t have an option for people who are laying off their bets at Smarkets, where the commission rate is lower.

If this team of experts have so much knowledge, why are they sharing it?

This is the first question I ask myself when I encounter any opportunity like this. If this team of experts are able to make predictions which create a profit, why share it with anybody? Why not just place lots of big bets and make a packet yourself?

The simple answer is that with any method of making money from a bookie, sooner or later they will realise you are taking value and take action to stop you from doing that. Maybe they will restrict your stakes or remove your eligibility for Best Odds Guaranteed.

If one person is placing large bets and beating the line, they will soon see this. If large numbers of people are placing small bets, their accounts won’t draw anywhere near as much scrutiny, and can fly under the radar for a long time.

Buncejar Homepage Banner (desktop)

Buncejar Homepage Banner (mobile)

For the team at Buncejar, they can make more money charging a subscription fee to lots of users who follow their tips, than they could by placing large bets and getting their accounts restricted.

Free tip

Make sure you keep a record of your bets and when your bets win at the bookie, always check what odds they paid out at. Sometimes you will find that the odds have lengthened and (if your account is eligible for Best Odds Guaranteed) they have paid you more than you expected.

Price

Buncejar is free to use for your first month, then after that it’s £39.98 per month. There is no contract so you can cancel at any time.

Buncejar Pricing (desktop)

Buncejar Pricing (mobile)

Based on the average profit per trade, and the number of tips sent out each day, if you are betting £2 each time, that will cover your subscription cost plus make some profit for you.

Conclusion

Buncejar gets the thumbs up from me!

My only advice is that you only sign up if you have the bankroll to commit to betting £2 as an absolute minimum for each trade. You’ll also need to follow as many of their tips as possible.

If you can’t commit the time to follow all of their tips, then only consider using them if you can afford larger stake sizes upwards of £5, so that your long term profits exceed the cost of the subscription.

Comments


  1. mike1221

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    I might give this a try. I’ve backed a horse before in the night and the next day it had had come in loads. I could trade out for half my stake. What I don’t get is why they would ask you to use a bookmaker. It would be easier to do it all in the exchange and you wont get your bookmaker accounts limited.

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    1. Matt

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      It’s a valid question Mike.

      It’s often the case that you can get better back odds at a bookmaker if you shop around. Buncejar highlight the bookmaker(s) with the best price in their selections email.

      Also, depending on your eligibility, there is also the benefit of getting Best Odds Guaranteed. That means if your horse’s price drifts before the off and goes on to win the race, the bookmaker will pay your bet out at the higher odds, which can boost your profits rather nicely.

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      1. mike1221

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        I tried this out today and its a load of rubbish. I backed the 6 horses £50 they advised last night thinking they would be solid horses that either shorten in price or dont move much. I had 3 winning and 3 loosing trades and finished the day -£12.30. The worst horse selection they made last night was a horse they advised too back at odds of 3.25. I ended up having too lay it at odds of 5.7. It had been trading at odds of around 5.5 all day. They clearly do not have a clue how too price up horses and there data and analysis where they claim too make 18k over 2 years is completely made up. They dont display any of the actual odds theyve backed and layed too make a profit or loss.
        I wrote this report so no one has too go through the day ive had sitting in front of my computer all day trying too get the best odds too minimize losses lol. Its much more fun too actually bet on a decaent race than do this

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        1. Matt

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          I’m sorry Mike, but you can’t judge a system like this on one day. As I mentioned in the review, the important thing is to be consistent. This is a system designed to build profit over lots of bets.

          I always test a system myself before promoting it and having tested Buncejar over a period of many weeks, I can say I am very impressed.

          I wouldn’t advise anyone to jump straight into £50.00 stakes. Instead, it’s better to start small and see for yourself that the system works over time. You can then increase your stakes as your confidence in the system grows.

          This isn’t a ‘get rich quick’ scheme, so if those are your expectations, it simply isn’t for you. You will make profit over time, you just need to stick at it.

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      2. Dave

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        Eh? You can get better back odds at a bookmaker rather than an exchange?! The bookmaker over-round doesn’t allow for that on most occasions (unless you have something like a boost with William Hill)

        Surely the only reason you can ever justify using a bookmaker for this rather than an exchange is BOG or if there’s not enough money to match your back bet on the exchange at the time you need to make the bet?

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        1. Matt

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          When I say we can get better odds at a bookmaker Dave, I appreciate that’s not generally the case.

          Sometimes though, when using an odds comparison site like Oddschecker, there will be one or two bookmakers that have better odds than the exchanges.

          For example, I’ve just taken a look at today’s racing and the first race I’ve checked, William Hill have the favourite priced at 4/7 (1.571). The same horse is priced at 1/2 (1.50) or 8/15 (1.533) at all other bookmakers. The exchange back odds are 1.54 for the same horse. So, in this particular example, we’re getting the best odds at William Hill.

          Best Odds Guaranteed is a nice boost to our profits when it kicks in, but liquidity is the major factor with this Buncejar system.

          With the selections being sent out the night before the races, it’s often the case that there is insufficient liquidity at the exchanges until nearer the off. Like you say, we don’t have that issue when placing bets at a bookmaker.

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  2. mike1221

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    Its ok matt its not your fault. Im sorry but i dont agree with you that this is a profitable system. Thats why they dont display the actual odds they back and lay bets at. Anyone can make a list of horses and a chart like they have. What fooled me is when they say they have 100 years expierience between them trading and working in the industry. Youd think the horses they pick would be solid and either shorten up or not move much but its nothing like that. 3 horses out of 6 they selected for today drifted heavily. Also they make it sound so simple like you can just lay them all off the next day and its as easy as that. Its a load of nonsense. Trading horse racing is really difficult.

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    1. Matt

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      There’s not much more I can say Mike, other than I think you’re dismissing a system that genuinely works when given a chance.

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  3. mike1221

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    It may seem like it works at first but yesterday i had a loss that was 40% of my stake. With losses that big and they can be bigger with racing pre race the system wont work. Thats why buncejar dont display any of the actual trades theyve placed. There data and analysis isnt transparent. They dont display how big there losses are.

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    1. Matt

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      We’ll just have to agree to disagree on this Mike and leave it there.

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  4. Andrea-Jayne

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    I tend to agree with some of what Mike says but not all of it and likewise with you Matt.

    I’ve been doing this for just short of a month now with stakes of £5.00. I’ve made three mistakes of not laying (I just totally forgot!) and each time the horse lost. That’s £5 to the bad each time which is proportionally quite damaging.

    Where Mike is correct is that there is no reporting on what the actual lay off odds Buncejar actually laid off on. So, effectively I have guessed that they are showing in their analysis that ‘at some point’ the odds tightened and ‘at some point’ the odds drifted. As to when they actually laid off is anyone’s guess. They would have a great deal more credibility and establish more confidence with the customer if they, like their advice suggests, laid off at exactly the same time every day. By doing so they would give much more accuracy to their results.

    So their green successes will be horses that ‘at some point’ tightened and their red losses will be horses that drifted and never came back to the same or tighter odds. That ‘some point’ is the vagueness that Mike is asking clarity for and I tend to agree with him that they should provide it.

    Where I agree with you Matt is that this is absolutely a long-term project and one that the user absolutely must stick to a set time, every time, to lay off. Chasing the odds in the last five minutes before a race can be a disaster – trust me – I’ve tried it!

    One other significant factor is the liquidity in the markets. In many of them there simply is not enough liquidity to accommodate a £50 lay off until the last 30 mins of the race, if at all, and it is from this point that those very same markets start to go haywire and laying bets becomes stressful and extremely chaotic.

    For that reason I have started with my stakes at £5 and have easily been able to find liquidity in the exchanges at most times of the day. Where I am a little concerned is if I step up to the £50 level then I could be left high and dry with no market to accept my lay.

    Which brings me on to my next concern – that being the monthly subscription fee, which at £39.98 per month is going to require bigger stakes than my £5.00 to make profit based on time and effort.

    I do feel however that there is a method in this and I’m going to keep going for another month with my stakes doubled to £10 backings. That should be a safe amount as far as liquidity is concerned and I’ll then be able to see if, for the amount of time and effort I put into it, will it cover the subscription fee and make it worthwhile as a nice little earner?

    Happy to report back at the beginning of August if you are interested in my findings?

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    1. Matt

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      Thanks for sharing your experience Andrea-Jayne. I think you raise some fair points.

      There are pros and cons to most systems, but on the whole I do believe this to be a profitable service.

      Certainly interested to see how things go for you in July.

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  5. AvarageJoe

    Guest user

    What is the progress with this system?

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  6. Andrea-Jayne

    Guest user

    As promised, another month using Buncejar and my thoughts…

    I went to a £10 stake per back bet this time. I also had the full subscription fee of £39.98 against me from the start. Firstly, two things which are totally out of your hands.

    1. Non-Runners. This can be lethal and has, several times, turned potential profit into loss DESPITE the odds shortening after a back bet.

    2. Liquidity. BunceJar is providing horses from events across the racing spectrum. Major races and minor races. Therefore liquidity is random in the exchanges and will vary from huge pots to tiny pots. £10 stakes are ok virtually every day in finding suitable liquidity at most times of the day but I seriously doubt that many minor races will have the level of liquidity required to offset £50 back bets until perhaps an hour or 30 mins before the off and BunceJar themselves advise against leaving your laying this late. I can vouch for that, it’s far too stressful!

    BOG. Can be a lifesaver if you’ve watched in despair your odds lengthen after backing only to see your horse win, but is the exception and not the rule. So choose your backing bookie that gives BOG.

    Odds/Profit Boosts. Only use them if it takes your bunce at least equal or higher than the price Buncejar have found for you. Do not take a bunce on if your best odds available to you are even a mere decimal tenth less than what BunceJar have found themselves.

    So how did I do? Well, including the subscription, I made a loss over 30 days of £34.73. This relates to a profit of about £5 WITHOUT the subscription. Not very good really. Yes, there were more winning bunces than losing ones however, when they tended to drift they did so to a greater extent than when they tightened.

    I had several e-mail exchanges with ‘Jamie’ from BunceJar concerning one bunce where they were adamant that it’s odds had shortened and would continue to do so. Quite the opposite in reality and I had proof. I suggested, as Mike has done in this thread, that they provide a bit more detail to their stats – perhaps show what odds THEY layed at and at what time. I also added that with their ‘morning overview’ to back up their claims of when a horse was shortening or lengthening that they provide a source as evidence? A screenshot from one of the exchanges perhaps? I’ve not heard back from them for a week now. It does concern me that they won’t consider those suggestions, which, with every tipster, you naturally expect.

    One tactic I think might work to get over the inconsistent levels of liquidity is to perhaps have all four exchanges open and lay off equally with each one until you have layed the total required as per the calculator? They are usually very similar with their lay odds. This might be necessary should you be looking to back at £50. A bit fiddly but doable.

    One aspect of this scheme has definitely hit home and that is the arrival in your e-mailbox of the bunces to back the night before. They arrive anytime between 6pm and 9pm, sometimes singularly and sometimes in clusters! For those with families I can imagine that keeping on top of this whilst juggling your domestic duties is going to be a real challenge. I’ve been dining with my g/f and had the laptop open only to see three bunces come in quick succession and with speed of backing to assure the ‘favourable’ odds being essential you will need a patient/tolerant other half!

    There is also a noticeable drop off of morning overviews at the weekend. On several occasions the bunce tips would arrive Friday and Saturday evenings but there would be no overview at all Saturday or Sunday morning.

    My two month study has proved to me that this system is not going to be profitable with back bets of £5 or £10. Even with £10 your average ‘win’ is around the 0.50p mark and average loss is 0.80p. Yet, I am still of the belief that there is value on this with a bigger back stake. So for the next month I am upping it to £20.

    My feelings to date are that this system can and will work if you have an environment around you that allows you to wait for each bunce tip in the evening and then apply a disciplined approach to laying the following day. Whether it will work to a profit on £20 back stakes I don’t yet know and will report those findings in another 30 days.

    I still have concerns that BunceJar don’t provide more details on their site about the lay odds they got and the time they layed(and with who) in both their profitable and loss results. You’d expect that the founders of this system would be using it themselves and the level of programming required to add this feature would not be much.

    Catch you in a month with an update Matt if you think this is worthwhile?

    AJ

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    1. Matt

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      Absolutely Andrea-Jayne, thanks for posting such detailed findings.

      I agree with you. There is value in the service, but at the same time, there are a few areas that need some work in order to improve the service.

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  7. AvarageJoe

    Guest user

    Keep those reports coming Jane.

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  8. Jimmy

    Guest user

    Been debating whether to give this a go for a while now and these detailed reports on how the system actually works in practice are really insightful. Seems like it might (might being the key word!) be profitable in the long run only if you are dilligent with it and have large enough stakes
    Really appreciate the reports, please do continue with them.

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  9. Andrea-Jayne

    Guest user

    Hmmmmm, just now….Buncejar sends me a tip for a horse at 4.0. The very second I see the e-mail I shoot over to the bookies and see it everywhere at 2.75!! Poor show Buncejar!

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    1. Matt

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      That’s unusual. Is that the first time you have come across this?

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      1. Andrea-Jayne

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        Yes, that’s the first time Matt and I did email ‘Jamie’ at BunceJar to ‘complain’. His answer was that they can’t be held responsible for market changes which I suppose is fair enough.

        I asked him again about my suggestions of more transparency regarding their results and he did reply saying that it was an interesting suggestion and would be putting it to their developers.

        Let’s see…….

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        1. Matt

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          It’s fair enough to an extent. I suppose once they have made their selections, there is the time it takes for the email to be sent out for the odds to fluctuate. Hopefully that instance was just a very rare occurrence.

          You’re right about greater transparency. It can only be a good thing and I think it’s something they’re going to have to implement if they want to be successful long-term.

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  10. Andrea-Jayne

    Guest user

    Last night I placed 7 x £20 back bets on 7 horses which BunceJar e-mailed me.
    I had the exchange markets up this morning at 0630. At 1030 BunceJar morning overview e-mail arrives and describes 5 of these as odds shortening, 1 stagnant and 1 drifting (gradually they said).

    I did my own referencing to the exchange markets immediately on receipt of their overview e-mail. Of the 7 horses only 1 had fallen and by 0.3pts. The other 6 had drifted out, and 1 of them by 1.5pts.

    I immediately e-mailed BunceJar and asked for proof of where these odds were shortening. An hour or so later I received this reply:

    ‘We don’t use Betfair exchange for the morning overview because of the
    generally poor liquidity and the price fluctuations that you’re seeing.

    We take the current trend from the bookmaker sites and make our
    judgement according to that.

    As liquidity arrives in the exchange, prices generally re-align closer
    to the bookmakers.’

    Really???!! I thought the whole point of this exercise was for us to back (bookie)…..and then lay (exchange). How on earth do we lay at the bookies? So their trends it seems, which is what they base their morning overview predictions on is based on something that we, as the customer, can’t use?? Is this for real Matt? I’m gobsmacked!

    Then their comments about liquidity….equally as stunned. I can tell you, without question, even as liquidity has arrived the changes have been minuscule with 4 horses now drifted to potential losses of almost £5 each, 2 at the same price as the night before and 1 improving by 0.5pt.

    This was my reply:

    Hi,

    Is this Jamie?

    Ok, so if you are looking at Bookmakers to find your trends in the morning, how does that benefit us as the customer? The process for Buncing to work for us requires us to back (with the bookmakers) and lay (on the exchanges). We can’t lay with the bookmakers.

    I still feel you could do yourselves a big favour in the eyes of the end user by providing,for each and every result on your stats pages, the time and odds for laying you got and with who. In other words actually proof your stats? Unless that is provided how can we believe it?

    Regarding liquidity…..this is a real concern for users. As you have said, and as is quite apparent, the liquidity does not arrive until later on. This leaves the punter, us, stuck until it arrives. For £50 backing stakes that can be very worrying. Again, you really should provide proofing of your lay bets to show that it is being done. Otherwise how do we know it really happened or could happen?

    Rgds

    No reply yet….

    So today, my 7 horses look like bringing in a negative of around £15 combined.

    For £40 a month fees I’m now beginning to doubt this is really what it says on the tin. I might be wrong….I still have half of the month to go with £20 stakes, however, I’ve bunced every one of their tips so far and after membership fees am showing a loss of £39.76 (before today).

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    1. mike1221

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      When i tried using this system i quickly realised why they dont display any results lol The losses can be huge with £50 stakes. If the people at buncejar just use oddschecker and the bookies trend in the morning too say if the odds have shortened or drifted then thats ridiculous and they should stop wasting peoples time and money. If that is what there results are based on because there not based on actual exchange lay bets

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    2. Matt

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      I’ve contacted them myself regarding this and will relay any feedback I receive.

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  11. Andrea-Jayne

    Guest user

    Indeed Mike. If they themselves are referencing information to come to conclusions about odds shortening or drifting yet that information, although open source and readily available to us, is actually of no use to us whatsoever since we can’t lay at the bookies then there’s something not quite right there.

    I’m still at it with the rest of the month to go…..

    Looking forward to what response you get from them Matt.

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  12. Glen

    Guest user

    Hi, my name is Glen, I’m from Buncejar and just wanted to give a little information on the morning overview …

    To help form an opinion on price movements for our selections, we do use a range of bookmaker prices to give an indication of the price direction and also where the price MIGHT reach on Betfair during the day. If the prices are falling at the bookmakers then Betfair generally follows. The bookmakers aren’t subject to the early morning volatility in the way Betfair is, which helps. When we give an indication of the price we think a horse might reach on the exchange, that price is for the window between 11am and 20 minutes before the race, not for the moment the overview is sent out.

    Hope that helps?

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    1. Andrea-Jayne

      Guest user

      Thanks for the comments Glenn,

      If that is your process for predictions can you please then consider providing evidence as a supplement to your morning overview? Perhaps some screenshots?

      Will you also consider providing a bit more depth on your homepage results section? Something to consider perhaps next to the green/red/blue columns are the actual odds you placed your lay at, with who and at what time? Providing this will totally proof your results statistics.

      Thanks

      AJ

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  13. Andrea-Jayne

    Guest user

    Another shocker today from BunceJar. 9 tips, 7 of which have drifted straight from the morning. 3 of those by more than 1pt. 1 of them by over 2pts. If anyone is putting £50 backing per selection then they are going to get hammered today.

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    1. mike1221

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      I would stop doing it if i was you. Its a load of rubbish. There’s no value in bookmaker prices at all so this system will never work. The people at buncejar dont proof there results which makes it obvious that they havent made any profit.

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      1. Andrea-Jayne

        Guest user

        Something that is interesting me is that nobody is coming forward here on this thread and explaining how they have made it work and the profits they are making.

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        1. mike1221

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          The only way that would happen is if buncejar create some fake users and post comments on here hahaha

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  14. Andrea-Jayne

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    22/08/2019 Bet365 Liberty Beach 2.75 £20.00 £0.00 -£20.00 Smarkets 2.98 £18.33 -£1.67
    22/08/2019 Ladbrokes Lexington Rebel 3.60 £20.00 £72.00 £52.00 Smarkets 4.60 -£54.79 -£2.79
    22/08/2019 Racing Bets Aussie Breeze 4.50 £20.00 £0.00 -£20.00 Smarkets 6.50 £13.54 -£6.46
    22/08/2019 Racing Bets Constraint 3.75 £20.00 £0.00 -£20.00 Smarkets 3.45 £18.82 -£1.18
    22/08/2019 Bet365 Valentino Sunrise 3.25 £20.00 £0.00 -£20.00 Smarkets 3.70 £17.31 -£2.69
    22/08/2019 Bet365 Search For A Song 3.50 £17.82 £71.28 £53.46 Smarkets 4.10 -£47.40 £6.06
    22/08/2019 Ladbrokes Charlie Arthur 3.50 £20.00 £0.00 -£20.00 Smarkets 3.40 £20.30 £0.30
    22/08/2019 Ladbrokes Knightcap 2.75 £20.00 £0.00 -£20.00 Smarkets 3.75 £14.45 -£5.55

    A typical day with BunceJar. I challenge them now, right now, to proof their stats because so far this month I’m showing a loss of £48.23 including subscription. I’m on £20 back stakes. Anyone on £50 must be even worse off!

    Glenn, Jamie,…anyone at BunceJar…would you like to show us your profit/loss sheets? Not just green, red or blue….but actual lay bets??

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  15. Andrea-Jayne

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    Matt,

    This might look like a bit of a slamming for BunceJar but I don’t know if anyone else is trialling their service to the degree I am? As a lady of leisure I can spend all the time I need to look at this system from every angle and to look at the markets from crack of dawn right up to the start of the races.

    So today I have 4 selections. 1 of them has drifted out by 0.5pt, 1 of them by 1.15. One of them is stagnant and the last one has shortened by 0.26pt.

    Already I can see another day of negative results and I still can’t understand why BunceJar are so reluctant to show us and to show potential customers just exactly how they are achieving their claimed returns. All that is required is the actual lay they made, at what time and with who. Surely not too much to ask is it?

    Andrea-Jayne

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    1. Matt

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      No I don’t think it is Andrea-Jayne.

      I didn’t experience these issues when I trialled the system earlier in the year, but maybe I chose a profitable period and things have slowed down since then.

      I have today reiterated my concerns to Buncejar about the lack of proofing and I’m advised this will be ‘fixed shortly’.

      If this doesn’t prove to be the case, I’ll have no option but to remove the review until things improve.

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      1. Andrea-Jayne

        Guest user

        It’s good you are holding their feet to the fire Matt. I really can’t see why they don’t proof their results. Yes, I have subscribed blindly and yes I have kept going for a 3rd month but every single one of those months is showing a loss. Today has seen a very small profit but only because Molatham got me BOG. If that hadn’t happened it would have been another loss. We can’t be expected to rely on lucky things like BOG to cover some of these outrageous drifts in prices. So yes, something is wrong. Poor selections by BunceJar, poor analysis, guesswork perhaps? Whatever it is I simply cannot see how they are returning profits for the last three months and this doubt is compounded by the lack of transparency to ‘proof’ their results.

        I’ve kept records of everything on a huge spreadsheet and am quite willing to let you have this. Indeed, I’d love to send it to BunceJar themselves and invite comments! Why can’t they simply show, on their site, what odds they layed off, when and with who? Perhaps Mike was right all along! I’d hate to call it a scam however if you are getting the perception through my 3 month study that it’s not working then yes, why would you want to be promoting it on your site?

        A-J

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        1. mike1221

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          I think it is a bit of a scam thats aimed at people that dont have a clue about horse racing and betting exchanges because them people might give it a go for a few months and pay a couple of subscriptions. I realised on the first day of trying it that it will never work. Bookmaker odds are terrible and hold no value so buncejar claiming to of made all that profit is ridiculous.
          Plus when you look at there website you can see that the reviews on there are fake and the info they give about taking 2 mins to lay the bets off the next morning is ridiculous. Most obvious thing that tells me its a scam though is there results page. Its just a list of horses in different colours. Theres no actual proofing of the trades they’ve done.
          I wont even give bunejar credit for making up a good scam because its rubbish and everyone can see right through it lol

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