Gubbings and Withdrawals
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I just made a reply to a post made by Johnbo about getting gubbed after making a withdrawal at Ladbrokes. No one really knows what criteria bookies have for gubbing people, but gubbings often seem to come after a withdrawal.
Do people think this is what caused the gubbing or is it just coincidence. Now each bookie must have far too many withdrawals every day to have enough staff to enable scrutiny of every single account that someone has taken money out of. They would need to employ hundreds of traders in order to facilitate this.
I wonder if perhaps when a withdrawal is made the account is alerted to a trader if it has already been placed (automatically by some kind of software prog) on a watch list. This would of course limit the amount of accounts a trader would need to look at, and hence prevent the bookies having to employ hundreds of staff.
I have lost quite a few accounts, not one of them happened after a withdrawal, but often happened after a series of successive largish wins over a short period of time on some of their promotions. For example Skys acca boost, or B365 4/1 offer.
In conclusion I think most of us will be on watch lists with the bookies (they probably have some kind of points system) the higher your score the more likely you are to be looked at by a trader.
If you are high up on their score then withdrawing money might just push your score over a threshold which causes you to be scrutinised.
+1April 1, 2017 at 8:29 am
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I was restricted to a 1p max stake with bet bright (their min stake is 10p) after a big withdrawal. What I do now is withdraw £150 a week from the books I have that have too much money in them. I don’t know if this helps but it’s a way of keeping my bookie balances down without taking a huge lump sum out
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I agree with most of what you said and agree in general.
I don’t think that bookies like the big wins on the large outsider horses. This is probably the trigger for being gubbed rather than when you go to withdraw your cash. But of course we are all guessing.
I don’t think the decision goes to a trader, I think that’s an excuse. Certainly for some of the mass gubbings like from paddy last Jan there is no way the traders reviewed thousands of accounts in any sort of detail over a couple of days.
I still thinks it is easily automated – “update customer set gubbed = ‘true’ where profit > x or free_bet_count > y or beat_sp > z ;”
+1Dave Jones, when you withdraw from ladbrokes, it says the withdrawal is pending whilst they ‘review your winnings’.
My theory is that withdrawals over a certain amount (whether a % of your bankroll or amount) triggers a review from traders.
As you say, there are thousands and thousands of accounts so you can stay under the radar but when you withdraw, this is the metaphorical equivalent of popping your head over the parapet 😉
My withdrawal defo led to my being restricted at ladbrokes, it came too quickly after the withdrawal to be coincidence.
The withdrawal was for £750 by the way…
Ive withdrawn in the past no prob for always less than £250 so as to not bring attention, perhaps anything over £500 warrants an inspection from the traders?
My hope is that traders are short of time (staff cuts in all sectors) and a useful strategy prior to withdrawing would be to play a few rounds of poker and wager a few quid on casino, maybe even lob a mug bet on as a live bet, which the trader would see and then not look to closely at your account?
Traders are human after all…for now 🙂
+0Yeah totally agree I tend to just leave my BR as long as I can really, but I think bookies probably have good computer software to simply track specific criteria before they start the gubbing and limiting process of peoples accounts.
So far from my experience its
1)winning more then losing
2)winning massive amounts ie 3-4k in one day
3)amounts wagered ie 1-2k per play or few K within days or 1-2 weeks.
4)betting over the max stated bets ie it says 350 limit and you place 500 thru trader.
5)withdrawing more often and making bookies lose interest and profit overallI know guys that limit their accounts in one evening but they probably placed 6-10k and maybe made 4-6k at the same time.
In short there are probably multiple reasons why bookies gub us but until someone gets that magic list its all speculation and theory!
+0Hi guys, so to conclude when bookie balance bets high if I withdrawn ever few weeks this may keep me off of the radar for being gubbed? For example if I have a balance of £300 on sky, withdrawing £150 would be the way to do this? Basically keeping the withdraw amount low of possible and avoid withdrawing large amounts?
Thanks for the help!
+0Just don’t worry about it – withdraw as you please, you’ll get gubbed or restricted at some point regardless.
I’ve had accounts restricted that are a good few grand down with barely any withdrawals, while other accounts are in profit, that I withdraw from constantly and are fine
+0I suspect that a withdrawal over a certain amount leads to a Trader looking over your account which leads to a gubbing.
Sometimes there is no way round it, I doubt £50 a day for 10 days would be any different from £500 at once.
A way you could try and get round it for a small loss but risky is playing poker with 2 accounts simultaneously and dumping from a good account to a gubbed account. Very risky though.
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Last account I lost was a Laddies, stuck on £500 on Belgium, 2 hours later the email came, before the game had even started.
Good idea with the poker Bob, just have to ensure one of the accounts is over a vpn/spoofed GPS
+0Thanks Cliff, I suppose that’s the way to do it just do it as I please.
Cliff, what would you do if you got gubbed on SlyBet for example? Cliff would that be the end of you matched betting on SkyBet forever? How would you go about this mate? If this continues to happen over your bookie accounts wouldn’t it be the end if matched betting for you mate? Just curious mate?
Thanks Cliff
+1Matched bettors
1. Have a high free bets to total bets ratio, and sign up with the highest value offers
2. Use wallets more often than cards to deposit/withdraw
3. Tend to run a zero balance more often than a ‘genuine’ customer
4. Lack a consistent betting pattern (stake, markets, odds, sports)
5. Bet on prices that are out of line with the market
6. Over a long enough time period, tend to turn a profit
7. May have a higher ratio of singles to multiples than a ‘genuine’ customer
8. May have a higher ratio of bets on ‘enhanced’ odds/places markets
9. (If arbing generally, but especially on more niche markets) are more likely to hit the max bet a proportionately high amount of the time
10. Bet bad e/wIt varies from company to company and case to case whether the free bets/specials are decided upon by the marketing team or the trading team or a combination. The responsibility for loss prevention may also sit (to some extent) with one team or both, I think some companies lump it in with their fraud/analytics teams to some extent.
Traders may spot you for 5, 6, 8, 9, 10. You’re most likely to be spotted at bet placement (if it’s sent for approval due to size, or if they’re managing a market particularly closely), at settlement (if you win, they lose on a market and they do a bit of a post-mortem).
Fraud are more likely to check large withdrawals, but that might get you reffered to the traders if they’re bothered about #4 .
Other teams are more likely to look at a combination of the above features, maybe they have a model that scores how likely you are to be profitable long term based on features like these if they’re savvy enough, so you’re more likely to get caught in a periodic review for a combination of reasons than one based on some individual event.+1Jake, depends, if the account gets restricted at the same time it’s pretty much useless, if no restrictions but just a gubbing I’ll EW arb on it until death.
Then I’ll make a new account under a new name, rinse and repeat
+0Hi I personnally think its all about how much money the bookie takes from you regardless how they get it from you and as long as your not takeing proffit from thebookie they will give you freebets forever.
what i do is do all my bets on teams that have hardly no chance but at good back and lay odds . so the bookie wins but so do i at the exchange and any money i do win in the bookies i lay it of gradually so i never have to withdrawl from the bookie.
This seems to work well the bookies happy im happy and the exchange is happy everyones a winner and i keep getting my free bets. so this is just a pheory at themoment as ive only been doingit for just under a year and its worked so far. well this is my eperience but it maybe hard when your dealing with large sums but i try keep them small and do more of them well good luck all. oh and does anyone know any bookies surely someoneone could just ask them how they do there gubbing im pretty sure theres not like a bookie magic circle for bookies or is there.+0The theory from my last post is gone outthe window 2 accounts gubbed today.
+1I think posting on here gets you gubbed .. LOL. Which bookies just out of interest ?
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When using any matched betting forums, you should always use an alias that doesn’t match any of your bookmaker account usernames. If you do that, you’re fine.
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