Whatever you do this weekend, DO NOT MISS this Bet365 Grand National 2019 offer! Simply place your bets on the Aintree Grand National 2019 and Bet365 will give us half our stake back for every each way bet we place, up to a maximum total refund of £125.00. Translated into matched betting terms, this gives us a guaranteed minimum profit of £90.75 and here’s how…
Key Terms:
- Applies to qualifying bets placed between 00:00:01 on Thursday 4th April 2019 and 11:59:59 on Saturday 6th April 2019.
- We must be an existing Bet365 account holder and have opened our account before 23:59:59 on Wednesday 3rd April 2019.
- We need to place our Each Way single bets and Bet365 will refund half of the total stake, up to a maximum total refund of £125.00.
- Cash refunds should be credited within two hours of bet placement.
How it works:
If you’re unfamiliar with each way betting, check out my Each Way Arbing guide for an explanation of how it should be done.
Bet365 will refund half of our qualifying each way bets up to a maximum total of £125.00. So, in order to claim the maximum £125.00 refund, we need to place a total of £250.00, so £125.00 each way.
Qualifying bet:
It’s entirely up to you which horse you go for, but it makes sense to select one of the shorter priced horses, to help keep our outlay to a minimum.
Having looked at the odds available, we could place our qualifying bet on Pleasant Company.
Bet365 are paying 5 places on the Grand National. If we lay our selection to place in the top 4, this offer then becomes an extra place race too. If you’re unfamiliar with extra place offers, check out my Extra Place Offers page.
At the time of writing, laying our bets at Betfair gives us the biggest guaranteed profit.
We can calculate our lay stakes using the ‘Extra Place‘ setting on my Each Way Calculator…
Placing our each way bet:
This means we have placed £125.00 on Pleasant Company to win at odds of 21.00 and £125.00 on Pleasant Company to place in the top 5 at odds of 6.00.
For those of you who aren’t overly familiar with each way betting, the place odds of our each way bet can be worked out as follows…
21.00 (decimal odds) – 1.00 (stake) = 20.00
20.00 / 4 (place terms) = 5.00
5.00 + 1.00 (stake) = 6.00 (place odds)
For more information about betting odds, please see my Betting Odds Explained page.
Laying the ‘win’ part of our each way bet:
Now that we have broken our qualifying bet down into two separate bets, we can now lay each part at the exchange.
As you can see from the calculator above, we need to lay £101.16 on Pleasant Company to win…
Laying the ‘place’ part of our each way bet:
As you can see from the calculator above, we need to lay £126.05 on Pleasant Company to place in the top 4…
The overall profit/loss figures are shown at the bottom of the each way calculator above. We just need to add our £125.00 refund onto each total as follows…
Outcome | Bet365 (W) | Bet365 (P) | Betfair (W) | Betfair (P) | Refund | Profit |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Pleasant Company wins | +£2500.00 | +£625.00 | -£2529.00 | -£630.25 | +£125.00 | £90.75 |
Pleasant Company places 2nd 3rd or 4th | -£125.00 | +£625.00 | +£96.10 | -£630.25 | +£125.00 | £90.85 |
Pleasant Company places 5th | -£125.00 | +£625.00 | +£96.10 | +£119.74 | +£125.00 | £840.84 |
Pleasant Company finishes outside top 5 | -£125.00 | -£125.00 | +£96.10 | +£119.74 | +£125.00 | £90.84 |
So, as you can see, regardless of the outcome of the race, we stand to make a minimum guaranteed profit of £90.75!
As mentioned earlier, Bet365 are paying 1/4 odds for the first 5 places. The ‘Place’ market at Betfair is for the first 4 places. This means that if Pleasant Company finishes exactly 5th, we’ll win both the place part of our Bet365 each way bet and also our place lay bet at Betfair, giving us a massive potential profit of £840.84!
You’d be forgiven for thinking it’s an unlikely outcome, but it actually came in four years ago for £419.04 profit!
Bookmakers often run extra place offers and they can be very profitable. If you’re interested in learning how to take advantage of them, have a read of my Extra Place Offers page.
If you don’t already have an account, make sure you sign up to Bet365 soon to make sure you don’t miss out on any big offers in the future. Bet365 have one of the best welcome offers around (£100.00 in bet credits) and their in play offers on some of the big football matches are hugely profitable.
NOTE: The above example shows how this offer can be done by placing £125.00 each way on one horse. If we don’t have enough funds in our exchange account to cover the large liability, we can spread our qualifying bets across multiple horses.
For example, we could place a £25.00 each way bet on five different horses. Only one horse can win the race, so we would only need enough funds in our exchange account to cover the horse with the largest ‘Win’ liability, plus our ‘Place’ liabilities. With five horses selected, we would stand a greater chance of hitting the 5th (extra) place, albeit for a much smaller profit.
* Pleasant Company failed to finish in the top 5, resulting in a profit of £90.84 on this Bet365 offer. Anibale Fly finished in the all important 5th place. *
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Paul
Guest userWhy didn’t you choose tiger roll are the odds to short . Maybe worth just backing him and laying the ew part..
Matt
1490It’s not that the odds are too short Paul, it’s the fact that the lay odds aren’t close enough to the back odds.
There’s no rush with this, we’ve got until midday on Saturday to get our bets placed, so feel free to keep an eye on things and see if the odds tighten up.
Paul
Guest userThat’s what I thought thanks. On this occasion as there is a good fav. Maybe an option is to not lay the win part and therefore risk a small amount on a potential big win i.e 125 *4. I guess if the horse fell then most you could lose is around £10 depending on lay odds for place..etc..
Matt
1490Yes there’s a few ways of playing it Paul, it really just depends on the individual. Tiger Roll is the shortest favourite I think I’ve ever seen for a Grand National, but there are a lot of fences and a lot of other runners…
Superme
0Is this a cash refund offer will the refund be in the form of a free bet?
Matt
1490It’s a cash refund mate.
Ats
Guest userHi Matt, you said “we could place a £25.00 each way bet on five different horses. ”
Does it mean we can place bets on five different horses in one race?
Won’t it lead to gubbing?
I have never placed a bet on horses with Bet365 so a bit worried they will gub me instantly, especially if I bet on 5 different horses in one race.
Matt
1490Bet365 are offering a refund of half of our total stakes, so there’s no limit on how many horses we can bet on. For example, we could bet £12.50 each way on 10 different horses (total stake of £250.00) and receive a refund of £125.00.
I think for an event like the Grand National, average punters tend to hedge their bets by backing multiple horses anyway, so I don’t think we should worry on that score. The Grand National is also an event that a lot of non-bettors like to have a flutter on so I wouldn’t worry too much about not having used your account in a while.
Stephen
Guest userThanks for this but could you do a bit more explanation as to how we do this when backing 5 separate horses?
I have never done one of these before. Cheers!
Matt
1490You would follow the exact same method as above Stephen, but instead of staking £125.00 each way, you would stake £25.00 each way.
Do that for one horse and then you can repeat the process for another four horses, taking your total stake to £250.00.
Football
3Might stick with a couple of the horses who are around 10/1 rather than sticking £2,500+ in the exchange.
My horse came 4th last year so hopefully can hit the 5th place this time.
Easily the best offer of the year – I was getting worried at bet365 had stopped sending me the £50 in play offers.
Matt
1490Spreading your each way bets should bring your exchange liability down nicely. Good luck!
Roni
Guest userCan we just lay the place part to limit liability on the exchange? Making a £6 loss or big wins if the horse finishes 1st or 5th? Or am I missing something?
Matt
1490Yes that’s a viable option Roni. Bear in mind though that you can spread your each way bets between multiple horses, which is another way of reducing your liability at the exchange.
Bob
Guest userThis is going over my head, can you double check these numbers for me so I know i’ve got it right. I’ve used smarkets in this example.
Rathviden:
Bet365 £100 E/W @ 11
Smarkets lay @ 13 (£84.75)
Top4 lay @ 4.9 (£71.72)
Is this all I need to do to guarantee profit or is there an extra step I missed? Thanks!
Matt
1490Yes that looks good to me Bob.
Deep
Guest userHi based on your figures is this what you are looking to make ? Just want to check I’ve got this right….
is your profit showing as guaranteed
£125 -£65.19 = £59.81 ?
Matt
1490Based on Bob’s figures above, he’ll make a guaranteed profit of around £53.00.
£100.00 (refund) – £46.70 (maximum qualifying loss) = £53.30
Deep
Guest userMatt … dont you mean £125 refund ?
Matt
1490No Deep because Bob only staked £100.00 each way.
Joe
Guest userHi Matt, why do you get a £125 refund if your horse wins?
Matt
1490It’s a cash refund of half of your total each way stakes Joe, it’s not dependant on the outcome of the race. Bet365 aim to credit refunds within two hours of bet placement.
Jamie
Guest userBeen buzzing for this offer to come around, done it last 2 years running. I have access to 2 accounts so am I right in thinking I won’t need any extra liability cash provided I choose different horses? Should even reduce my liability
Matt
1490You may need a little extra to cover the place liability of your second horse Jamie.
Chris
Guest userGreat offer. Very nervous about messing it up eg the unibet offer. I had the figures acceptable enough, layed it then it said I wasnt logged in even though it was showing my balance by the time I got back bet on it had dropped. Meaning a loss of 15 or 1 pound odd if it lost.
Hopefully be able to do it with tiger roll. With regards to being gubbed there are never guarantees but the national is the biggest betting event of the year. I’ve been banned from betfair live casino and have only done 2 slots offers
Chris
Guest userIf it wins maybe you’ll get the free bet as well
Matt
1490It’s a £50.00 risk-free bet rather than a free bet Chris but yes the 4/1+ offer should apply as it’s an ITV race. Just make sure you back Tiger Roll at odds of 5.00 (4/1) or greater, to be eligible.
Jacob
Guest userHi, it says the next itv 4/1 race is Ayr and Newbury Saturday is that correct ?
micky
Guest userHey Matt,
If for instance I placed a £25.00 each way bet on five different horses would this have to be on 1 betslip or could I for instance set a couple up tomorrow and then the rest saturday morning.
I was looking at the instructions on Bet365’s site and thinking about the 2 hr payback?
Matt
1490Hi Micky. The offer applies to bets placed between 00:00:01 on Thursday 4th April 2019 and 11:59:59 on Saturday 6th April 2019. As far as I’m aware, each bet is refunded separately so I think you’re fine to do that.
timj17
6Above Bob wrote this question for his calculation:
This is going over my head, can you double check these numbers for me so I know i’ve got it right. I’ve used smarkets in this example.
Rathviden:
Bet365 £100 E/W @ 11
Smarkets lay @ 13 (£84.75)
Top4 lay @ 4.9 (£71.72)
Isn’t that wrong Matt?
The Lay stake is incorrect i think?
Lay = Back odds – 1 / 4 + 1
Back odds = 11
11 – 1 = 10
10/4= 2.5
2.5 + 1 = 3.5
So the back odds for his bet in the “place” market on smarkets should be 3.5 and the current lay for that horse is 5.0 (assuming a 2% commission)
His Lay stake should be £70.71?
Isn’t that correct or have i got something wrong here?!
Stuart
Guest userI am using smarkerts – do you use the lay / place formula rather than taking their given odds for against a Top 4 place as Bet 365 are paying out 5 places?
Matt
1490I’m not entirely sure what you mean here Stuart. If you’re using Smarkets, the method is exactly the same. You can lay the ‘Place’ part of your each way bet in their ‘To place (Top 4)‘ market.
Matt
1490Hi Tim. The each way calculator automatically works out the ‘Place’ back odds, but if you want to check it, you can do so using my normal Matched Betting Calculator.
If you enter a back stake of £100.00, back odds of 3.50 and lay odds of 4.90, you’ll see that the lay stake is correct at £71.72.
Obviously, if the lay odds for the ‘Place’ are no longer 4.90, that will change your lay stake.
Stu
Guest userHi Matt. You’ve worked out the lay odds for a place on betfair at 6.00. Should the odds not be whatever betfair offer on a place and not to do a calculation for the lay odds for the place?
Superme
0Im confused about this too. Did the 6 come from betfair or from your calculation?
Jamie
Guest userYeah it is what betfair have on their place market. He’s worked out what the betfair place odds are which happens to be the same as the lay odds
Matt
1490Yes Jamie is correct. I can understand how that might have confused you guys. In the example, we’re getting odds of 6.00 on the ‘Place’ part of our each way bet and it just so happens the ‘Place’ lay odds at Betfair are the same odds, which is great for maximising our profit.
MBgamer
0Are Betfair not running an each way market on this race?
Superme
0How do we work out the lay stake of there’s an each way market on betfair? Do we just use the standard ql calculator?
Superme
0And is the back stake 125 or 250? Thanks
Matt
1490It’s best to keep things simple and lay the ‘Win’ and ‘Place’ parts separately guys.
Steve
Guest userBetfair has a place market of 5 places too
Matt
1490Yes they do Steve. You would be able to lock in a larger guaranteed profit by sacrificing the 5th place big potential profit.
Alan S
Guest userHi Matt,
Great blog. The maximum profit I seem to be able to make is £30-£35. Would you advise going for this or waiting to see if the odds get closer? £90 seems a long way off!
Matt
1490Thanks Alan. I would suggest £30.00-£35.00 is far too low. Keep an eye on the markets and you should be able to find something closer to the £90.00 mark. You should be looking for at least £70.00 guaranteed profit from this.
Petor
Guest userHi Matt I should know this but..
Can I just back and lay Tiger Roll to win each way and only lay the win?
If he comes top five I’m quids in?
Thanks a lot, keep up the hard work!
Matt
1490You can do Petor, but be aware that you’ll lose around £30.00 if he doesn’t place in the top 5. That’s based on the odds in the post.
Mark
Guest userI’m slightly confused about putting bets on multiple horses to reduce liability. Wouldn’t there still be a similar liability just spread across different horses? I know you would only have to pay out on one winner as only one can win, but does the exchange actually account for that?
David
Guest userYes, the exchange accounts for that. If you layed five horse at a liability of £50, £75, £250, £135 and £250 each, your total liability would only be the largest e.g. £250.
Mark
Guest userOk great, cheers
Tom A
Guest userHi can you check the below for me
If I put 125 e/w on tiger roll at 4.5 and lay 97.32 at odds of 5.8
Then lay the place part 79.92 At odds of 2.96
Based on 2% commission at smarkets
Guaranteed profit will be 79.67??
Thanks for your help
nathan
Guest usersee the comment from Chris below. In short no, your guaranteed profit will be around £50.
Chris
Guest userAt the minute tiger roll is 4.75 b365 (7/2). Then 5.8 both exchanges to win. And 2.96 to place both exchanges.
The figures are 1st -70.
Place -70
Extra place 171
And no place -70.
So all these figures need 125 adding eg
52 52 296 and 52.
And were hoping for 5th for biggest return. So tiger roll may not be best pick, only to keep your liability down
Tom A
Guest userthanks for your response is that 70 profit guaranteed or 171 if it finishes 5th?
Its the liability thats the problem for me too high on matts example.
Matt
1490As Chris said mate, those figures need the £125.00 refund adding onto them, so -£70.00 + £125.00 equals a guaranteed profit of £55.00.
Daria P
Guest useri have no idea how is this a guaranteed profit? I always back and lay my bets and get free bets but I have never placed each way bet before. If I will bet 250£ on tiger roll for example I will get 125£ refund in 2 hours so another 125£ it will be covered because on bet365 is for that horse to win and betfair exchange i will place lay bet. i will end up with -34£ for example for difference between odds…and where is the profit? i dont get it
Matt
1490You just need to add your £125.00 refund onto your qualifying loss of £34.00, giving you a guaranteed profit of £91.00.
Bob
Guest userI’m pretty worried I’m doing this wrong seeing the comments above. The odds on Rathviden have moved.
Can someone who understands this please double check these numbers.
365 @ 10
Smarkets @ 12.5
Lay odds are 5 (but I’ve got 3.25 because of the calculations above (back odds – 1 divide 4 + 1) so would I change the calculator to 3.25 then lay the stake it gives me at 5? Thanks for any help
timj17
6yes bob thats correct now
your back odds in the “place” market would be 3.25
your LAY odds would be 5
just input those figures into a normal spreadsheet/calculcator
your lay stake should be £81.58
Bob
Guest userThanks @Timj17
Just to double check. Back and lay selected horse as normal. So Rathviden at 10/12.5
Go to smarkets and lay the place (Top 4) for Ratherviden for 81.58 @ 5 and thats all there is too it? Thanks again!
timj17
6Yes but remember when you put £125 on the win market in bet365 you have to click eachway bet. So the total bet will be £250 (on bet 365)
Then you lay £125 as normal in smarkets
Then you Lay the other £125 in the “place” market in smarkets. Which would be £81.58 @ 5
By the way, thats a really poor selection. By my calculations you are losing £71.90 on your two qualifying bets. (£26.84 on your first Lay and £45.06 on your place bet Lay)
Your total profit is £125 – £71.90 = £53.10
That’s a very poor return for this offer
Bob
Guest userWhat would you suggest? I can only afford around £1500 in the exchange. Thanks again.
timj17
6Ah you’re choices are limited then i guess.
Even right now with these odds your right on the limit of that £1500. The lay odds of 12.5 should come in a bit. They are way out of line with betfair right now, so that will help
Also you could wait to lay the place bit of the bet closer to the race and hope you get better odds than 5.0
or lay in the 5 places market for a better return
Unless you are hoping for the 5th place to hit too?
Bob
Guest userI hadn’t even looked at the betfair odds to be honest, will probably switch to them, even with increased commision it still pays better.
Ryan Berry
10If you don’t have the cash to go 100% on one horse, go 50% on two or 35% on 4 etc
You only need enough in the exchange to cover your biggest lay
Bob
Guest userCan you tell me what youve gone for I’ll see if i can match them. Cheers
Ryan Berry
10I’ve done Pleasent Company and currently looking at Jury Duty
I did 100% PC at 21/21 and 8 TBP so sitting quite nicely
There aren’t too many that are close enough yet, keep checking and might be worth waiting until tomorrow
barrychuckle
1Am I the only one on here doing 5 horses at £25 EW and letting them roll (mugpunt).
Tony S
Guest userI’ll be doing that on the place part… adds a bit of excitement
Just laying off the win
gio
Guest userim going to do the same ,but lay 12.50 win then 12,50 place , giving me free bet
Kane
Guest userI’m also doing this, what 5 horses have you all gone for?
Mark M
Guest userConsidering this myself, 12.50 ew on.the first 10 favorites after Tiger roll lol.
gio
Guest userhi matt, im more of a punter in these big races ,could you work out i could back then lay ,so im only in profit if my selection wins or places ,ie a free bet
Chris
Guest userIn your example you work the place odds out but the odds on the exchange are 7.6. Do I go with them and do what the calculator says
Matt
1490The ‘Place’ lay odds were 6.00 at the time of writing so if the odds have drifted too much, I’d recommend looking at other horses to see if you can get better odds.
Chris
Guest userTheres a 100 deposit limit on my account. Only just realised and I dont think I can change it in time for the national. Can I back bigger odds to claw it back
Matt
1490No Chris, I’m afraid you’ll have to make do with £50.00 each way this time around.
Barney
0Hi, if i have £1000 in the exchange i am going to lay the win on horse A and that leaves me exposed for 1000
I now want to lay the place, it will cost me £100, do I need another £100 put into my exchange?
I’m thinking i don’t because it can’t win and be placed, its either one or the other and the win liability is greater than the eachway lay liability so no further amount is needed in my account. I will lay with smarkets so if it wins would i be liable for 1000 plus the 100 or just the 1000
So would i need the extra £100?
Matt
1490You would need to cover both the £1,000 and the £100 in your example. That’s because you’d be placing two separate lay bets and if the horse wins, both of your lay bets would lose.
Barney
0Thank you, i realised afterwards that i was probably wrong but thank you for the clarification.
What time do you think is best to put the bets on?
Somebody else was saying that all the matched bettors are getting on it and taking all the value out of the market but somebody else says that all the odds will get closer the closer to the 12 deadline. What time do you think is best?
Matt
1490With this offer Barney, I think it’s a case of keeping an eye on the markets as soon as the offer becomes available and if you spot some decent odds, grab them. There’s no way of knowing how the markets are going to move in the build up to the race.
Jacob
Guest userWould it make sense to lay the 5 places market rather than the 4 places market? This would mean that guaranteed profit would be a bit bigger, even if you’d lose out if the horse came in fifth
Matt
1490It’s entirely up to you Jacob. I blog it this way because I think people like to have a big guaranteed profit and also a shot at an even bigger return if their horse finishes 5th. There’s nothing wrong with sacrificing the bigger potential return though if you’d rather maximise your guaranteed profit.
L
Guest userI’m unsure of what to do when I lay a bet, do I just change the odds to 6.0
Matt
1490If the lay odds increase, you need to go back to the calculator and enter your new odds to get your correct lay stakes. Manually entering odds means your lay bet may be unmatched, leaving you exposed to big losses.
If you’re unfamiliar with lay betting, I’d recommend you have a read through my newbie guides, to familiarise yourself with the process.
L
Guest userYou wouldn’t recommend changing the odds to put this bet on that you’ve published then? Any other ways of making guaranteed profit with this offer?
Matt
1490Odds fluctuate all the time mate. The odds used in my posts are available at the time of writing and are there for guidance on how to do the offers. If the odds change, you need to recalculate your lay stakes.
When lay betting, changing the odds is like putting an order in. Your bet will only become matched if a backer is willing to take your bet at those odds. That’s why we need to take the odds that are already available.
Dave
Guest userBased on the current odds I’ve gone for the following now:
Jury Duty £65/EW @ 17
Lay Win £56.81 @ 19.5 (£1050.98 Liability)
Lay Place £45.45 @ 7.2 (£281.79 Liability)
Does that look correct Calculator output below, so I’m assuming the guaranteed from this is ~ £32? Just wanted to check I got this right before looking at another potentially more profitable one
First place: + £1,040.00 + £260.00 – £1,050.98 – £281.79 = -£32.77
Standard place: – £65.00 + £260.00 + £53.96 – £281.79 = -£32.83
Extra Place: – £65.00 + £260.00 + £53.96 + £43.17 = £ 292.13
Doesn’t place: – £65.00 – £65.00 + £53.96 + £43.17 = -£32.87
Matt
1490Yes that looks fine Dave. £32.87 maximum qualifying loss and then you’ll get a £65.00 refund, so a profit of just over £32.00.
Betty McBetface
0I’m getting a bit confused with this offer (it doesn’t take much…lol)
Would this be correct for Rathvinden at 9.00(365)/11.00(Smarkets)?:
£125 (£250) ew @9
£102.46 Lay @ 11
£125.84 4 place lay@3
giving final profits of:
£98.72
£98.71
£473.73
£98.71
Thanks
Kane
Guest userHis lay odds are 4.9 though??
Betty McBetface
0Yes, his top 4 place lay odd on Smarkets is 4.9. but the figure for the calculator is 3 after using Matt’s instructions I think?
So you would lay £125.84 at 4.9 in the Smarkets top 4 place market.
Can anyone help to confirm this please?
Matt
1490The figure for the calculator is your lay odds of 4.90. The 3.00 you refer to is the back odds you’re getting on the ‘Place’ part of your each way bet which is worked out automatically by the calculator.
Once you’ve entered the correct lay odds of 4.90, your guaranteed profit comes down to around the £50.00 mark.
Betty McBetface
0Thank you Matt, that’s very clear now…much appreciated 🙂
Matt
1490No problem at all.
Dave
Guest userI think I’ve done this right but would appreciate anyone telling me it’s wrong?
The way I figure that gives me another £20 E/W to have a proper punt on tomorrow 😉
Jury Duty £65/EW @ 17
Lay Win £56.81 @ 19.5 (£1050.98 Liability)
Lay Place £45.45 @ 7.2 (£281.79 Liability)
G Profit = ~£32
5th = £292.13
Dounikos £40/EW @ 34
Lay Win £37.83 @ 36 (£1324.05 Liability)
Lay Place £33.79 @11 (£337.90 Liability)
G Profit = ~£20
5th = £358.03
Matt
1490Yes that all looks fine Dave.
I make your guaranteed profit on Dounikos to be around £28.00 and your 5th place profit to be £398.03 once you’ve added the £40.00 refund on.
Lewis
Guest userHi Matt,
Thanks for the write up and sorry for this longwinded confirmation!
The calculation written in bold above of place odds of the each way bet on Bet365 (decimal odds – stake ÷ place terms + stake) does NOT feature in the actual Each Way (Extra Place) calculator we input, correct?
The 6 the bold calculation gave for your horse just coincidentally was the same as place lay bet on Betfair? And therefore we don’t really need the bold calculation?
So the Each Way (Extra Place) calculator would be filled like this for Tiger Roll currently:
BACK BET
Each Way Stake: 125
Back Odds: 4.5
Each Way terms: 1/4
LAY THE WIN (Smarkets)
Lay Odds: 5.8
Lay commission: 2%
LAY THE PLACE (Smarkets)
Lay odds: 2.98
Lay commission: 2%
So it’s the current lay odds on Smarkets of 2.98 in the To Place (top 4) market going in our calculator’s Lay odds box not the result of the bold calculation which gives 1.895?
I’d be losing £78.81 unless the horse is 5th but with the 125 it’s an overall profit of £46.19, correct?
Many thanks
Kane
Guest userYes correct.
Matt
1490Yes that’s correct Lewis, the calculator works that bit out automatically. I just included the formula for anyone who was interested.
Based on your figures, I make it a maximum qualifying loss of £77.04, giving you a guaranteed profit of £47.96, with an outside chance of £282.34 profit if Tiger Roll finishes 5th.
Bob 2
Guest userI’d like to play this differently due to the type of the offer and go for the ‘enhanced e/w +’ bets for 5th and 6th places.
If we are getting half our stake back, can I double the back odds in the calculator to ensure a small profit on each qualifying bet with the possibility of a big payout if one of the horses finishes 5th or 6th?
For example Rock the Kasbah at 19, does this become 38 due to the cash back, but all other numbers remain the same except the profit/loss on the qualifier?
Matt
1490Hi Bob. I’m not sure why you’re doubling the back odds here. Placing your each way bet on the ‘1/4 6 Places’ market isn’t much different to the method outlined in the post above. If you lay in the ‘5 places’ market, you’d be getting a big potential profit if your horse finishes 6th. If you lay in the ‘4 places’ market, you’d be getting a big potential profit if your horse finishes 5th or 6th. With your back odds being shorter though, I’m not sure how viable the latter option is.
jlloyd
Guest userHi
To clarify at the time of writing:
£125 on pleasant company @ 17.00 on e/w 5 places (bet365) = potential return £2750
£101 lay the win on pleasant company @21.00 (betfair) (liability = £2020)
£79 lay the place on pleasant company @7.00 (betfair) = (£534)
Is this correct? Many thanks
Matt
1490Have you entered those odds into the each way calculator? I’m seeing a ‘Place’ lay stake of £89.93…
Ats
Guest userFor people who don’t have big liability and experience, they could bet a horse on Each Way Extra Market – 4th Place.
Then lay win and 4th place. This way I got a guaranteed profit of £110 and my liability was significantly reduced to less than £1K in total.
No bonus for 5th place but with a QL of less than £15 I thinks it’s great value – and guaranteed profit of over £100.
B
Guest userHow did you do this?
Ats
Guest userThe odds were very good for Tiger Roll.
Now it’s not that great:
Instead of Fixed odds market, you need to choose Each Way Extra and go to 4 Places.
Odd for Tiger Roll ,4 Places are 6.50
Lay win @ 5.9 (liability around £675)
Lay to place 4 @ 3.45 (liability around £211)
QL -£26.24
Instant profit of £98.76. Not as great as an hour ago, but there’s still value there.
Just remember there won’t be any bonus for extra place as you bet and lay 4th place.
Stig
Guest userWhat happens if one or more of your horses drops out before the race? Are all bets for that horse void, so the profit is just reduced? (£0 if you have full liability on 1 horse?)
Matt
1490The terms state the following Stig…
‘If you have placed an Each Way single bet between 00:00:01 UK Time on Thursday 4th April and 11:59:59 UK Time on Saturday 6th April for the Grand National Money Back Offer on a selection which is later declared a non-runner and Void, then this will no longer count towards the offer and the full stake will be refunded.
Simply place another qualifying Each Way single bet before 11:59:59 UK Time on Saturday 6th April and we will then give you half the stake back, up to a maximum total refund of £125* per customer.’
David B
Guest userI stupidly placed bets without thinking:
I backed £125 E/W on Tiger Roll at 4.5 on Bet 365
I lay the win at £96.15 @ 5.9 on Betfair at 5%
I lay the place at 72.12 @ 3.3 on Betfair at 5%
What should I do to rectify this? I used the calculator and it gave me those values but I can’t think how to fix it..
Bob
Guest userIt doesn’t need rectifying, it’s correct. The guaranteed profit isn’t that great. 125-90 so £35. But you’ve covered the win and the place. It’s fine as far as im aware.
Matt
1490Yes Bob is right David. You could have made a bit more profit, but there’s nothing wrong with your bets.
Mark
Guest userIf the horse we back becomes a non runner do Bet365 allow us to replace with another horse?
Jamie
Guest userYes provided you back the replacement horse before 12pm
Matt
1490Yes Mark, I’ve posted a snippet of the terms and conditions in my response to Stig above.
Aran
Guest userAs the odds aren’t that great at the moment, is it possible to back a horse E/W at 365 @ 6 places, 1/4? This means altho lower profit, there is a high chance of the extra place as they can come 5th or 6th?
Matt
1490It’s a viable option if the odds are profitable Aran.
James
Guest userMorning all – I am matching b365 (enhanced ew, 1/4 odds 5 places) against the 5TBP market in Betfair.
5 horses at 50 each way – effectively this gives me 5 25 win bets, unless I am mistaken? The above two markets are comparable?
No guaranteed profit, but with access to two accounts I can cover ten horses, with minimal qualifying losses it seems. Just wanted to sense check – thanks!
Matt
1490So you’re just laying the ‘Place’ part of your each way bets? If so, yes that gives you risk-free shots at the ‘Win’.
Also, when you say “5 horses at 50 each way”, I’m guessing you mean ’25 each way’? Just wanted to check…
Ferg
Guest userSeems like the longer odds you go for, the bigger the lay exposure but the bigger the guaranteed profit.
I was looking at a nag with 81/1 on Bet365 but it was an exposure of £10k on smarkets!! I think the CC company would call me up again if I tried to deposit 10 grand. 🙂
Matt
1490I suspect so Ferg!
Andrew
Guest userHi Matt, I did this earlier….and locked in just over £91 profit but you won’t get paid out on the extra place.
On Bet365 Back Tiger Roll £125 E/W on the E/W extra market for 4 places at 7.5. Lay the win (currently at 6.8 on smarkets and then lay the place (4 places) – currently 4.1 on smarkets. I use the each way calculator if you have OddsMonkey.
You will need about £1050 liability however.
Matt
1490Yes that all looks good Andrew.
My Each Way Calculator also has an ‘Each Way‘ setting that you could have used for this.
Strummer
0Hi Matt. I bet £50 ew on Tiger Roll for my last bet ,I should have bet £40 ew to bring my total bets to £250.00
Now my total bet on the race is £260.00.
What will happen with my last bet ?
Will I get a percentage back on it,or will it not qualify for money back??
Matt
1490It should still qualify. You’ll just get £40.00 back instead of £50.00.
Ray
Guest userI’ve overlayed on this offer as i used the formula provided for my lay odds instead of the lay amount in Smarkets. So used back odds of 6 minus 1, divided by 4, plus 1 to give me 2.25. I used that in the calculator and entered £113 for my lay amount at actual Smarkets lay odds of 4.2. Meaning my liability on the lay is £360 plus now, instead of what it should have been around £170.
Is there anything i can do here? Any help appreciated.
Matt
1490You can back the other side of your overlay bet until your overall liability is around the expected £170.00 mark.
simon2000
2Lake view lad was 21/26/7 earlier for decent odds. Lay place carried on dropping too
Sully
Guest userah balls i did not see that this offer ran out at midday!!! argghhhh
Any other way of making money with bet365 today other than just downright dirty gambling??
Ferg
Guest userGambling is a bad way to make money! 😉
Jamie
Guest userGuaranteed £150 but my exposure on Smarkets is £4,900! Highest it’s ever been
Matt
1490Nicely done Jamie!
Jamie
Guest userANIBALE FLY CAME FIFTH I WON £731!!!!!!!! Third time lucky with this offer!! My biggest win to date!
Matt
1490Congratulations Jamie! Hopefully a few got on that one.
JonB
Guest userGot 25 on it so still rather chuffed 🙂
Matt
1490Great stuff Jon!
Leeboy
Guest userDo you know if we still qualify for the next ITV risk free bet if we bet on tiger roll?
Matt
1490Yes you will do mate, as long as you backed him at odds of 4/1 or greater…
‘If you back the winner of the last ITV Racing 4/1 Offer Race on any day, your risk free bet will be the first bet you place on the next ITV Racing 4/1 Offer Race to take place.’
That’ll be one of the Ayr or Newbury races on Saturday 13th April 2019.
Stig
Guest userWas gonna put it all on Lake View Lad.
Reduced my liability slightly by also betting on…Anibale Fly!
£350 profit – Thanks for the easy to use calculator Matt.
Matt
1490You’re welcome Stig, well played!
Jay
Guest userDid anyone’s odds at bet365 increase from 4.5 to 5 for tiger roll? Only realised when I checked my winnings. I was projecting a guaranteed £27 return but ended up with £80 or so because my lay stakes were based on when tiger was 4.5.
Wiganer
0Yes, my winnings went from projected £45 to £123. Great. Thanks Matt
Could the odds have moved against us causing us to lose out?
Alex
Guest userNo. Best odds guarantee means you get the odds at the start of the race or the odds you took, whichever is higher. Many bookies offer it but there can be conditions such as only on bets placed after 9am.
Matt
1490Happy days guys. It’s always nice to get an unexpected bonus in the form of Best Odds Guaranteed!
bobb
Guest userHas anyone had their 125 back?
Matt
1490You should have received the refund within a couple of hours. Did you place your bets before the midday deadline?
Vicky
Guest userKind of gutted I hadn’t set a bet365 account up before but all these calculations mashed my head! Hopefully will benefit next time. Well done to those who won big!
Matt
1490Hopefully it’ll be back next year Vicky. Bet365 run some great invite only offers on the football too and with the latter stages of the Champions League taking place in April and May, now is a good time to get signed up.
Vicky
Guest userI’m going to sign up this week for sure
Deep
Guest userBig thank you to Matt
Top man for helping us out with your comments.
First time I did each way offer
Anibale came 5th for me too 🙂
£590
All credit to you Matt
Matt
1490Fantastic result mate, you’re very welcome. Keep up the good work!
Covenant
0Well I didn’t get the refund cos I didn’t put the bet on in time. However I did use your calculator to have £125 e/w on the beautiful Anibale and match lay it with a net profit of £613. So thanks yet again for your wonderful service.
Matt
1490Congratulations! It’s great to hear that a few of you guys were on the 5th place.
Alex
Guest userSounds like a best odds guarantee, Jay. It’s a nice surprise when it happens, especially when you didn’t want the horse to win (at the bookies).
Great offer. Wasn’t able to take advantage ’cause I didn’t get round to setting up an account. Pleased I finally got my head around each way extra place offers though and even won my first one (not Anibale fly). The advice and the calculator on this website were very useful so, thank you.
Matt
1490You’re welcome Alex. It’s certainly worth keeping an eye out for extra place opportunities now that you’ve grasped the strategy, on Saturday’s and ITV Racing days in particular.
Mike
Guest userI put a 50 bet on 365 today having won on tiger roll yesterday and they have yet to refund it with their 4/1 offer. Wondering how many others have and if they’re in the same boat?
Matt
1490Your risk-free bet applies to ITV Racing Mike, which will be the first ITV race next Saturday. The ‘ITV Racing’ offer is separate from their ‘Feature Race’ offer.
Mike
Guest userYeah I found this out after using their live chat yesterday, thought the offers were interchangeable! Never mind. Thanks
Matt
1490You’d think they would be to be honest but unfortunately not.
Chris
Guest userHi Matt, I did this offer on Tiger Roll. I’ve been through the figures again but it looks like I’m down -£64.62 as I cannot add £125 refund on because I got that back with my stake anyway.
I hope I’m wrong, could you shed more light on this for me?
Matt
1490Hi Chris. So you staked £125.00 each way on Tiger Roll…
What back and lay odds did you get and we can try and figure things out…
Chris
Guest userThanks for the reply. I spoke to bet365 on web chat and the refund was given immediately once the ew bet on tiger roll was struck. I didn’t notice this and thought as tiger roll won, the stake was refunded as if it was a normal bet rather than an actual refund of £125. I’ve done all my calculations again and have come out with a £60.38 profit.
Nice one Matt, cheers for the guide it was very useful on Saturday morning trying to do this quickly before the deadline!
Matt
1490Pleased you got to the bottom of it Chris. Bet365 tend to be very prompt with their refunds for this offer.
Jamie
Guest userYou should have got your refund as well as the stake+winnings back. Provided you placed the bet before 12pm you should have -64+125=£61 profit
George
Guest userMatt do you know if winning bets on Tiger Roll SP 4/1) qualify for the ITV offer next ITV race????
Matt
1490Yes George, if you backed him at odds of 4/1 or greater, your bet on the next ITV race will be risk-free. That’s scheduled to be a race from Ayr or Newbury on Saturday 13th April 2019.
Nick
Guest userHi Matt, would I use the ‘Risk Free’ calculator for the ITV 4/1 race offer linked to my National winner? If so, am I looking to extract £37ish or would this be too low? As I type Azzuri is 4.5 at b365 and Betfair Exchange respectively. Cheers and kind regards. Keep up the quality work.
Matt
1490Yes Nick, you can use the ‘Risk-Free Bet’ setting and enter £50.00 as your ‘Cashback’ figure as your stake will be refunded in cash if your bet loses.
£37.00 cash extracted is about right, just bear in mind that you won’t be able to qualify for a further risk-free bet if Azzuri wins as it doesn’t meet the 4/1 minimum odds requirement.
Nick
Guest userCheers Matt. Good point well made about a potential roll over on another 4/1 winner. To be fair I see it as £37 profit gained from the National so it’s all smiles from me.
On a totally separate note, I feel the Will Hill Golden Gold is due a win on Monday. Just a hunch is all 🙂
Matt
1490Yes fair enough Nick. With you having to place it on a specific race, it limits your options, so £37.00 is a pretty good return!
Fingers crossed you’re right on the footie…