Bet365 £50 Horse Racing Offer for 100% Profit

  • Before I start, I want to say that I did not come up with this technique. I am simply spreading it so people can profit. Whoever came up with this is a genius in his/hers own right.

    There has been a lot of talk with a few people about how 100% profit can be made on the Bet365 Feature 4/1 and Channel 4/1 races. While a lot of people understand it correctly, I want to make a forum post about it so people can always check the right way of doing it in the future.

    Before anything, let me give you some rough stats as that will put this offer into a better perspective for the skeptical ones who cannot be bothered with £4-5 profits (It’s fine, I was the same.) Also, if there is anyone who has attempted this offer more times than me, he or she can have more concrete results due to the law of large numbers. If this person is here on MBB, please come forward and tell us your roughly estimated income.

    Some stats:

    You can do this offer the typical way, where you simply back a horse at Bet365 and lay the same horse on Smarkets for a loss, and hope for a win. I have done this offer on 79 races thus far and the horse that I have backed only won 15 times. Doing this the normal way would mean loosing a qualifier 79 times at roughly £3/per race and winning 15 times at roughly £35each time (It is most likely £38-39 but I am already taking QL into an account). This would give me an effective QL loss of £237, an income of £525 and a profit of £288 after 79 races, paying myself an effective rate of £3.64/race.

    £4-5 profit would yield greater results all the way (£316+), AND you are receiving your money now, AND instead of trying to understand horse racing and doing research into who may actually win, you are guaranteeing yourself easy income each race.

    Some more stats:

    The first time I did this offer was on 5/5/16. There are 2 races each day apart from Saturday when there are on average 8 races. That gives us 224 races(1) since I started and I have only attempted 35% of them and in the span of 78 days to give me an additional £300-400(2).

    Also, as you get better I can guarantee you that you will be making £5-6-7 per race. There are some races I have made £10 on, but only a few, and therefore my profit is actually much larger than what I am presenting. However in my belief this kind of profit is already great enough if you think about the span of time it took. It is like paying yourself an additional £30 a week.

    But enough of my stats, let me actually present the full idea. Instead of backing and laying the horse, we simply overlay the horse for a profit. We are using Cashmaster 4/1 Calculator: https://www.cash-master.com/bet365_4to1.htm

    So using todays 21/7/16 races, Bet365 is giving us 2.55 Worchester. We could back Gardiners Hill at odds of 5-1 or 6 is you prefer decimals. Closer to the race, the lay odds will bet shorter, around 6.2 At this point you need to be quick enough before Bet365 changes odds to 5.5 or even 5. Giving 6 and 6.2 lay, calculator tells me to back £50 at 6 and lay £55.02 at 6.2.

    If the horse looses I win 55.02/1.02(comm) = £53.94-£50 bet365 stake= £3.94 profit.

    If the horse wins I loose my liability and my position is as follows. £50×6 = £300-£50 stake – £286 = -£36.

    At this point, the following race becomes RISK FREE (Bet365 simply returns you the stake). You need to use your own money and calculate Stake Not Returned on a horse who has odds of 4-1 or above. This has to be done on the next race available(3).

    At such a high odds SNR will give us £39-40 profit, bringing the overall position back to £4 profit.

    Mistakes to avoid:
    1. Backing a horse now and leaving the lay side open because you ‘think’ the lay odds will drop below and thus create an arbitrage. Unless you are skilled at horse trading, please do not do this. I did this twice. Once I got lucky and once odds drifted to heavens and I ended up with a huge loss.

    2. Backing for more than £50. This offer is for MAX £50. Do not bet £60-70 or £100. Bet365 will refund ONLY £50.

    3. Betting on all the races all at once. Lot of people do that. They simply see there are 8 races on Saturday so they back and lay all at once. This is a mistake because if you win on bet365 your next horse should have a lot lower liability since it is SNR. There are exceptions when you can do this however, for example when closing an abnormal profits(£8+). E.G. many times it happened to me that I backed a race at 2.15 and the next race was at 2.35. If the horse wins at 2.15 I have to use my risk free on 2.35, but 2.35 odds are something like 5.5 and 5.2 for lay on Smarkets. So naturally I close it for an additional income and pray to all gods of Westeros that the horse at 2.15 looses because if he wins my liability is suddenly too large and I am loosing money. If you are away from our laptop, you are screwed but if you are there all along, simply head to Smarkets and back the same horse to reduce your liability to what the MBB calculator tells you.

    4. Wait. I’ve never use to do it, I only do it now. At the beginnings I would settle for £2-3 profit. Now I wait 1-2 mins before the race kicks off when the real money comes in and I often close for £5+ profit.

    5. Doing this offer all the time. Although you could try I would not advise it. I heard of people doing this offer daily and nothing happened. I also had a friend who did this offer straight for two weeks on every race, won only on two occasions, but bet365 still closed down his account. I do this offer 35% of the times. I may push it to 50% and you may want to try 70% of these races a month. That is all fine however if they block you from bet365 you are loosing out on a lot of future income.

    There is a belief that when you are loosing all the time (or most of the times) they won’t block you because it is good for them. I spoke to a trader from PP and he told me that when they see your statement you give them at the beginning and you have £3000 in your account but you have managed to bet £4000 over the past two months, something is fishy. Similarly, when bet365 sees an 18 year old matched bettor who’s address is at some university campus, and this moron made bets worth of £10000 in past 3 months, you can be sure as hell he will be blocked. Bookies aren’t idiots. They are smarter than us. Money has to be coming from somewhere and if you are loosing it in one place , you are clearly winning it in another place.

    To conclude, have fun with this offer. If I have done this offer 50% of times (112 races), I would have made an additional £500+ in profits since I started. That is not too shabby if you ask me.

    Also, sorry for making it far too long but I wanted to cover everything I think you need to know to make this offer for you. I see there are many people who never heard of this and I do not want people making mistakes I have made.

    PS: 0% commission on horse races on Matchbook.com till the end of July, and 1.15% afterwards. It all adds up folks.

    (1) There may be more races.

    (2) Perhaps even more.

    (3) You can find the next race at Current offers->Horse Racing->Channel 4 4/1 or Feature 4/1.

    Feature 4/1 and Channel 4/1 and two separate offers that work the same. If you win on the last 4/1 channel 4 race, your £50 risk free will be for the next Channel 4/1 race, not the Feature 4/1. You can do this offer on Greyhounds too, 2/1 offer, however liquidity tends to be low and only good market is on betfair for 5%.

  • New to matched betting?

    My Matched Betting Academy is the best place to get started. Learning the fundamentals takes 10-15 minutes and you’ll make £15 in the process.

    Learning the fundamentals takes 10-15 minutes and you’ll make £15 in the process.

    Chris 22

    I guess this is good long term if you want to slowly build £8-10 per day, or more when there is Channel 4 racing but you only need to pick one winner via the normal method to gain £40+ profit whereas with this, if you do manage to pick 5 losing horses in a row you’re gaining about £35.

    +0
    Blue 3

    Nice post Jay. Mark Corrigan has also covered the guaranteed profit approach in a previous post – for anyone who hasn’t seen it this is the thread:

    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/channel-41-offer-bet365-guaranteeing-profit/#.V5CyHo-cGUk

    +0
    FoG_BLoG 59

    Thanks for the post Jay. A lot of ppl still asking about this method.

    I think that it is better that the horse you pick loses so that you can make £4-5 on the next race as well instead of using the next race free bet to make up your loss in the first race. So a string of losers is best, also pumps money into the exchange and makes your bookie account look like a loser.

    I like to make it just risk free sometimes instead of guaranteeing a profit. Back £50 and lay £51.02 every time. No messing with calculator. If you lose you are even. If the horse wins you paid out a little extra on the exchange but not a full £40 as you would if you fully over layed to guarantee profit. So you’re not under pressure to extract full value from your free bet every time. That way you still get the thrill of getting the winning horse and when you win.

    Also look at e/w prices too. A little while ago Argegra in the 14:55 at Worcester was 19.0 (=> 5.5 to place) to back and the lay was 19.5 to win and 4.7 to place. An e/w bet and laying both place and win would have guaranteed a straight up £5 qualifying profit. And a free bet on top of that if he won. Be careful though as non-runners can change the e/w terms. Happened me yesterday had one horse backed and layed e/w bookie terms were 1/4 but then a non runner reduced the terms to 1/5 so I ended up losing slightly when he finished 2nd as the bookie didnt pay out as much as I had first planned.

    +0
    Jay 2

    Chris: Picking one winner and accepting QL is making you less money than guearanteed method. As presented in my little study, I won only 18.9%, so you are correct to saying 1 in 5 however you forgot to adjust for 5 QLs. Remeber 5 QLs would equal to say £15 and one win of £40 would only give you £25. It is a very small difference but as one of my favorite matched bettors used to say: It all adds up.

    Blue: Had no idea about that. But I am glad more people are told of this so it is achieving its purpose 🙂

    FoG_BLoG: You are very correct it is much better to keep on loosing so you keep on making money. I remember once I had two winners in a row and it was a pain as it just carries forward. Onto your second point, I actually like that. To lay 51.02 on odds like 5 and 5.1 is no impossible on good Saturday, and instead of having QL you simply have £25-30 profit if you win. In this case we need to understand how often do we actually win. For me it is almost 1in5, but for someone who actually watches and understands horse racing it could well be 2in5 making it far more profitable your way. And onto your third point, I was trying to look into it as it is quite intriguing to bet on E/W. With the change in terms it sort of craps, because I believe I had one non runner once and Smarket reduced my liability as well as Bet365 reduced my win so nothing happened. I think I broke even.

    +0
    dannyk
    Blocked
    0

    Doing every channel 4 race offer = being gubbed in a few months

    +0
    FoG_BLoG 59

    I don’t know danny. I have been doing as many as I physically can since Christmas.

    Of course I have missed weekends because of life and some weekdays because of work.

    I might not have been gubbed because …

    1. At the beginning I constantly lost. “Down” a few thousand lost to the bookie so they were probably quite happy with me. Until this month and I have “won” a lot.

    2. I don’t extract free bets on long shots, my qualifying and free bets usually are on close to 4/1 as I can, you can still get decent extraction on close to 4/1. So it matches the pattern of a favourites backer.

    3. I mix it up some times, because I am in euro. Sometimes betting €50 or €60 or €58 depending on the exchange. And mix it up as well in sometimes betting e/w, sometimes €30 e/w, or sometimes €60 e/w. So not really any obvious pattern.

    4. Just stupid luck.

    5. I had my account about 6 months before I got into this offer. I had always discounted it before as it was too unlikely to win a free bet – at best there is a 4/1 chance of free bet. So its not like I opened an account and went straight into betting horse offers.

    +0
    FoG_BLoG 59

    Jay. The 17:00 race is a good one for e/w.

    I got Dropzone @ 17.0 (implies 5.0 to place). And found money to lay him at 21.0 to win and 3.65 to place. I only did 20 e/w because I dont want to wipe out my exchange balance but was still able to take a €2 qualifying profit and get on the offer in a difficult race.

    Good e/w prices on Whiskey John and Suffice too. Just have to find the right lay price to win for them though, which is the hard part.

    There are enough runners I think that this plan won’t be mucked up by changes in the e/w terms because of a couple of non runners.

    +0
    deathstar 30

    just to quickly note bet365 usually match price boosts from other bookies ie betfred, so that very often makes an arb. also very useful for E/W bets.

    +0
    FoG_BLoG 59

    For a couple of minutes there Whiskey John was @ 29.0 to back on bet365 (implied 7.0 for place). And on exchange to lay to win @ 34 and to place @ 4.4. Just let me repeat the to place odds there, 7.0/4.4. That is a crazy arb.

    I guess this is what ppl are saying about finding good e/w races – you know on the other thread called beyond matched betting. You could have got 25% return on investment if you got on that. Have to be quick though which is hard to be when you also have to be careful to calculate e/w odds and lay two different bets at the same time.

    Just need a system to spot the good races. Instead of like me just stumbling across them now and again by accident.

    +0
    dingodollar 8

    Fog these ‘good each way races’ you talk about are actually called ‘bad each way races’ and the bookies are well aware of which ones these are and have been around as long as you were able to lay the place.i think that unless you are jumping on an enhanced terms or extra place these are best to be used on gubbed accounts!

    +0
    Chris 22

    I dont take qualifying losses Jay, I always overlay £51.02 so if the horse loses I break even and I only ever do it when I have an exact odds match or arb.

    +0
    Sy 3

    £3 qualifying loss…. That’s way to high. 50p max for me. And that’s achievable 99% of the time…

    +0
    Jay 2

    FoG_BLoG: That is quite interesting but would be careful with arbs.

    Chris: That is a great way in that case. Have you got some more stats on that? Can you look into your history and share?

    Dannyk: Sorry to hear your account got closed down.

    Sy: Even if we use the lowest possibility which is 5 and 5.1 on lay it still creates £1.77 loss on £50. However I would understand your ability to loose £0.50p/race if you are experienced. This post is for those who wish to attempt this offer for the first time.

    +0
    FoG_BLoG 59

    Mainly on the weekend races if you wait till the last minute and are quick, or if you back and wait (gamble?) on the odds to drop then you can often back and lay for 5.0/4.9 or something like that.

    If you like to get it sorted out early and calmly then you are usually going to take something like 5.0/5.4 for less profit.

    I would usually aim for some profit, as you get more advanced and experienced then wait for the tighter odds and bigger profits. Really helps just backing 51.02 because you don’t have to think about it or calculate the lay on a calculator and can do it fast.

    As I barely get to sit down and watch the races and there is always some distractions esp at weekends I usually settle for close enough odds to make any small profit rather than going for the best possible.

    +0
    dannyk
    Blocked
    0

    I’ve still got all my bet365 accounts but I only do the race offer on big weekends when they are actually on tv. Like someone said early alway use my free bets on a punt on a fav in next or one close to fav. I’m only basing the theroy you get gubbed on the amount of people on here posting they lost there bet365 usually after doing every race and the 50/50 football. But I agree they prob also do the free bet on an outsider as a big red flag

    +0
Viewing 15 replies - 1 through 15 (of 33 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.