Channel 4/1 Offer, Bet365, Guaranteeing Profit.

  • Hi all,

    Most people like to take advantage of Bet365’s Channel 4/1 offer by backing and laying a horse for a small qualifying loss, hoping for the horse to win. However, I wanted to share the possibility of guaranteeing a profit (after all, this site is about matched betting). As usual, I like to start out with a highly theoretical approach before considering practical implications.

    With the Channel 4/1 offer, you back a horse at odds of 5.0 or above and, if it wins, you receive a risk-free bet on the next eligible race. The second part of the offer, which is easy to overlook, is that if you win and place a risk-free bet on the following race, you can win another risk-free bet again (if it wins). Therefore, the theoretical approach is to take the offer as an infinite sum!

    Firstly, it’s obviously optimal to find odds on a horse as close to 5.0 as possible – this maximises our chances of winning a free bet. Let’s suppose you have two races in a row with horses @ 5.0 on both Bet365 and the exchange (yes, I know, very unlikely but let’s start out theoretically). It’s important to note that your strategy actually doesn’t matter in the long-run, really. I assume 2% commission, as on Smarkets.

    Approach 1)
    We can play the offer somewhat naively and simply overlay the first leg. Back £50 on the horse @ 5.0 and lay £51.02 @ 5.0. If the horse wins, we lose £4.08 and get the £50 free bet. If the horse loses, we breakeven.

    Approach 2)
    Wait, hang on… Let’s guarantee a profit! Knowing that we’d have a £50 free bet should the horse win we can guarantee a profit; let’s assume 80% extraction. Back £50 on the horse @ 5.0 and lay £58.23 @ 5.0. If the horse wins, we’d lose £32.93 and get the £50 free bet (which we can turn into £40 on the next race). If the horse loses, we’d get £7.07. Regardless of outcome, we’ve just made £7.07!

    Approach 3)
    Let’s go one one step further… If the horse does indeed win, we not only get a £50 risk free bet, but we also get another chance at winning a free bet! The calculation becomes an infinite series. In a theoretical world, if you have an endless stream of races with horses which can be backed and layed @ 5.0, we can guarantee a higher profit than before. It turns out that we can guarantee £8.82 per race in this scenario.

    Turning to a more practical side, I think the best strategy for the Channel 4/1 offer is to look at the day’s races and use a spreadsheet to calculate optimal stakes to (more or less) guarantee a profit regardless of outcomes. You can often guarantee £50 on a Saturday if you follow the correct approach.

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    RyanB 11

    Also I think @Pavlon will have his own method, shout out to him who picked 3 winners in a row last Saturday getting over £100 profit…crazy!

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    Tony 12

    Cheers Mark, and those that highlighted this in other threads.

    Look forward to someone knocking up a Google Sheet for us all soon 😉

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    Dave_Jones 7

    @Cookie_202

    Here is the Algebraical solution.

    Let x be the amount you lay and assume 80% extraction of the risk free bet if you win at the bookie.

    If you win at the bookie your profit will be:-

    200 + 40 – 4x

    (The 200 is 4 times your stake, the 40 is 80% of the risk free bet and the minus 4x is your loss at the exchange which is 4 times your lay stake).

    If you lose at the bookie your profit will be:-

    -50 + (x X 0.98)

    (The minus 50 is your stake at the bookie that you have just lost, the figure in brackets is your lay stake at the exchange that you now gain and the 0.98 factor is to take into account the 2% commission which the exchange charge you).

    In order to match bet these two equations need to equal one another.

    200 + 40 – 4x = -50 + 0.98x

    240 + 50 = 4.98x

    x = 290/4.98

    x = £58.23

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    Mark 1

    Don’t forget that you’re putting these bets on sequentially after each race has finished so the chances of rule 4 deductions will likely be low as there’s generally only 10-20 minutes between races.

    Risk free bets are refunded as cash so no need to extract anything from a free bet.

    Not so sure about the part which states that your stake is NOT returned if you win from a risk free bet as I’m pretty sure each time I have had 2 winners in a row I’ve got all of the money.

    Also worth noting that you get best odds guarantee so if the price actually goes up you’ll benefit there too!

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    FoG_BLoG 47

    This is for Tony!

    This can be used for the Bet365 4/1+ and the Coral 3/1+ (also the betfair 3/1+ but that offer gives no guarantees you will get a free bet).

    My calculator doesn’t take into account the fact for B365 a free bet might in some cases be worth more than 80% value (because you can win a potentially infinite series of free bets!).

    My calculator assumes that the value of a free bet is 80% which might be okay for Coral as you can use your free bet on any race the following day – but with B365 you are limitted to the next 4/1+ feature race and if the liquidity in that race is poor then you might struggle to get 80% extraction.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WiitigPlD_9QVblKMKAWlpdsZn3w0iNsyvscVAZZx4Q/edit?usp=sharing

    (Free Bets for Winners tab)

    I have put 3 possible options on the calculator.

    Option 1 fully overlay for guaranteed profit – win the same amount win or lose.
    Option 2 slightly overlay for risk free profit – win if you win and break even if you lose.
    Option 3 take a qualifying loss as if a more traditional offer – lose the same small amount either win or lose plus get a free bet if you win.

    It seems to me, and it seems logical, that the more you lay the more commission you pay, the more your profits are eaten into long term.

    The strict matched better probably prefers option 1 – a steady guaranteed profit.

    Let me know your thoughts and criticisms!

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    Pickle 57

    Fog the bet365 offer isn’t a free bet it’s a risk free bet so you don’t need to worry about 80%

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    FoG_BLoG 47

    Okay Pickle. But when I enter a back and lay into Matt’s calculator picking the risk free bet option I still only extract about 80%.

    This is a bit of a tangent for a second. Can I use the risk free bet on some 1000/1 horse? It pretty much guarantees the full 50 back, and just don’t bother laying it? And if the bet wins then even better!! Is that what you are getting at Pickle?

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    MarkCorrigan 9

    It’s effectively the same as having a free bet, no?

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    FoG_BLoG 47

    I think so Mark, except that they debit your account until the bet is settled.

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    Pickle 57

    Yes I think I’m totally wrong. You just don’t get the free bet token. You could do as you suggest Fog but in the likely event of it losing you’d just get your £50 back and no guaranteed profit.

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    patrick
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    The 80% refers to the extraction on the lay bet.
    You use your risk free bet with bet365 and extract 80% by laying it.
    You get your stake back from bet365 and you have the 80% from the lay less the cost of the original qualifying bet as your total gain,

    If your risk free bet wins you should still have extracted 80% by underlaying so you still make a profit and bonus is you have another risk free bet. Just rinse and repeat.

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    AM 0

    So is there a way of calculating a lay stake when the odds aren’t as favourable in order to guarantee a profit or do we have to ensure that the back and lay odds are as close as possible?

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    RyanB 11

    If your lay odds are too high as in far apart from your back odds this will result in too much of a liability eating nearly all your potential profit if not all of it

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    MarkCorrigan 9

    Hi @marshalex, that’s a very important question. There’s actually a much higher leeway than you’d expected – at least intuitively.

    For example, it’s still profitable if you have a continuous stream of races where you back a horse @ 5.0 and lay @ 5.6. There’s obviously a huge difference between 5 and 5.6, yet it’s still profitable… OK, only around £1.38 profit, but at least it demonstrates the potential.

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    AM 0

    Yeah that’s what I’d worked out. Anything more than 0.6 difference in the back vs lay odds resulted in an overall loss under 10.
    Definitely real potential on here if you can get some decent early back odds and the lay tightens closer to the race for an arb.

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