Channel 4/1 Offer, Bet365, Guaranteeing Profit.

  • Hi all,

    Most people like to take advantage of Bet365’s Channel 4/1 offer by backing and laying a horse for a small qualifying loss, hoping for the horse to win. However, I wanted to share the possibility of guaranteeing a profit (after all, this site is about matched betting). As usual, I like to start out with a highly theoretical approach before considering practical implications.

    With the Channel 4/1 offer, you back a horse at odds of 5.0 or above and, if it wins, you receive a risk-free bet on the next eligible race. The second part of the offer, which is easy to overlook, is that if you win and place a risk-free bet on the following race, you can win another risk-free bet again (if it wins). Therefore, the theoretical approach is to take the offer as an infinite sum!

    Firstly, it’s obviously optimal to find odds on a horse as close to 5.0 as possible – this maximises our chances of winning a free bet. Let’s suppose you have two races in a row with horses @ 5.0 on both Bet365 and the exchange (yes, I know, very unlikely but let’s start out theoretically). It’s important to note that your strategy actually doesn’t matter in the long-run, really. I assume 2% commission, as on Smarkets.

    Approach 1)
    We can play the offer somewhat naively and simply overlay the first leg. Back £50 on the horse @ 5.0 and lay £51.02 @ 5.0. If the horse wins, we lose £4.08 and get the £50 free bet. If the horse loses, we breakeven.

    Approach 2)
    Wait, hang on… Let’s guarantee a profit! Knowing that we’d have a £50 free bet should the horse win we can guarantee a profit; let’s assume 80% extraction. Back £50 on the horse @ 5.0 and lay £58.23 @ 5.0. If the horse wins, we’d lose £32.93 and get the £50 free bet (which we can turn into £40 on the next race). If the horse loses, we’d get £7.07. Regardless of outcome, we’ve just made £7.07!

    Approach 3)
    Let’s go one one step further… If the horse does indeed win, we not only get a £50 risk free bet, but we also get another chance at winning a free bet! The calculation becomes an infinite series. In a theoretical world, if you have an endless stream of races with horses which can be backed and layed @ 5.0, we can guarantee a higher profit than before. It turns out that we can guarantee £8.82 per race in this scenario.

    Turning to a more practical side, I think the best strategy for the Channel 4/1 offer is to look at the day’s races and use a spreadsheet to calculate optimal stakes to (more or less) guarantee a profit regardless of outcomes. You can often guarantee £50 on a Saturday if you follow the correct approach.

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    FoG_BLoG 47

    Mark, I think you would be interested in reading about the St Petersburg Paradox. Seems relevant to the Bet365 offer in a way.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Petersburg_paradox

    I *think* that the Bet365 offer may have infinite expected value or maybe the expected payouts converge to zero after a number of iterations? Anyway, I think its an interesting parallel.

    I really don’t consider that it is too much real value to win a free bet off your free bet, I’ll just take it as a happy bonus if it happens but won’t be building it in to my expectation calculations and won’t be risking to lay more based on the theory that sometimes my free bet will be worth double.

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    MarkCorrigan 9

    Lol… St Petersburg Paradox has nothing to do with the Bet365 offer…

    The paradox is that the coin flipping game has an infinite expected payoff (1+1+1…); the Bet365 offer does not.

    But yes, as you say, the Channel 4/1 series converges.

    EDIT: Also, there’s no point arguing over minor differences in laying strategies, particularly when (as usual) the optimal strategy is to never lay.

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    FoG_BLoG 47

    Yes Mark, sorry, I scribbled it down after I posted and looked convergent. Been too long since I’ve done any bit of proper Maths though.

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    Tony 12

    FoG – thanks for the google sheet! I will take a good look from home tonight 🙂

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    aNtis0ciaL 9

    FoG – has the Google sheet been changed, seems to get convoluted outcomes regardless of odds etc I input at present?

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    FoG_BLoG 47

    How does it look now?

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    aNtis0ciaL 9

    Looks good now, cheers! I did try and take a copy but I guess it links back. What was the issue?

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    FoG_BLoG 47

    I have some fields that are editable to the public including the commission field. So if you edit the format and take the percentage format off then when you type 2 in there it mean 200% and not 2%. So I just reformatted it back.

    Best is to take your own copy – if you can. I think I read if you take the link I shared before but change where it say ‘edit’ in the url to ‘copy’ then it will prompt you to save to your own drive. Not sure. Never shared a google doc before so not sure the best thing for you to do.

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