Guide to Each Way Betting (with Q+A)

  • With Cheltenham coming up, I’ve decided to write this guide and the subsequent thread to hopefully stop other threads getting hijacked by E/W betting. So all questions in here please.
    I’ve deliberately put this in the matched betting forum instead of the newbie forum because I don’t see it as a newbie skill. No offence to any newcomers, but there really is a knack to this. You have to be very confident with horse betting before you do this because if it goes wrong, it can go VERY wrong. You have been warned. Also, this needs quite a big float (1K+) so if you’re just starting out, look away now.

    Each way betting is used for two main reasons, when there is an extra place race and when there is what bookies call a “bad each way race”
    hopefully you have read Matts guide to extra places
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/extra-place-offers/

    but i’ll quickly go through the basics. First things first, When you place the bet you will notice that double the stake is taken. This is because when you bet each way you are actually placing two bets, one to win and one to place. Once you have placed your back bet, you now have to place TWO lay bets, one to cover the win part and one for the place part. Obviously, the value of each is half of your original back bet. You need to find the terms of the race and find out how many places they are paying, and at what fraction of odds. This is usually clearly stated.

    To find the place odds (in decimal odds), you subtract 1, divide by the fraction of odds, then add the 1 back on.

    Lets take Gubstar, who’s being offered at 16/1 with 1/4 place odds and 3 places.

    16/1 = 17 decimal
    17-1 = 16,
    /4 = 4
    +1 = 5
    so the place odds for Gubstar is 5.

    just to be redundant, here’s a harder one

    say he’s going off at 11/4 and its only 1/5 odds

    11/4 = 3.75 decimal
    -1 = 2.75
    /5 = 0.55
    +1 = 1.55
    so now his odds to place are 1.55

    Now you know the place odds being offered you can easily compare them to the exchange and lay accordingly.

    Doing an extra place race is pretty straight-forward, find a horse with close odds, back, lay, hope! Its usually much better to do several horses over several bookies for these offers to increase your chances of hitting the extra place. Don’t forget, most gubbed accounts can still do the extra place offers.

    To take advantage of a bad each race (E/W arbing) you have to understand how it works. Basically a bookie will offer very short odds on the favourite, and unfairly long odds on the others. That is fine on the win market, maybe the other horses really don’t have a chance (especially Gubstar), but because the other horses have a very good chance of coming second or third, by offering a fraction of the odds for the win, the numbers just don’t work anymore. Therefore the odds offered by the exchange are a much truer reflection of the odds on a horse placing, and much shorter than the bookie offers by default because of the combined nature of the each way bet. I hope that makes sense.

    The things to look for in a bad each way race is a very very short favourite (about 2.8 and below), a couple of hopefuls (around 4/1ish) and a few complete outsiders (100/1+)

    There’s a couple of ways to play these, either back and lay straight away, or you can back early and lay much closer to the off. The price almost always comes in sharply around ten- five minutes before the race and it takes nerves of steel (again not for newbies). You can also choose to fully lay to guarantee profit, or underlay to win more if you place and break even if you don’t.

    The problem with this approach is the danger of non-runners, which are two-fold.

    First, the bookie will apply “rule 4” which is where they will cut the odds AFTER YOU HAVE BET to take account of the fact there is less competition. This is fine if you have backed and laid at the same time as the exchange will recalculate as well. But if you haven’t, you need to take account of the reduction and lay accordingly. (the bookie will usually list how much they have reduced by on the race page). You can imagine the havok this causes when it happens 3 minutes out and you haven’t laid. It can save a lot of trouble to just underlay when this happens and hope you place.

    Second problem is when you have a race with the number of runners on the threshold of the place market rules. A race of more than 8 will pay out on 3 places but if one or more horses drops out and the number of runners drops below 8, the place odds will drop to 2 BUT THE EXCHANGE WILL STAY THE SAME. I assume this is because people have bet on where it will place, so its not the exact same market. Similarly for a race with 16 down to 15 or less.

    Handy guide to places:

    Handicaps of more than 15 runners 1/4 4
    Handicaps of 12-15 runners 1/4 3
    All other races of more than 8 runners 1/5 3
    All races of 5-7 runners 1/4 2
    All races of less than 5 runners – win only

    When things go wrong.
    Betfair have various markets for various places, and even an each way market, so you might find a lay that is not too much of a loss should things go wrong. You can also keep an eye on what the horses SP will be and hope for a favourable BOG (possibly). Some bookies offer cash out as well.

    Further reading:
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/my-theory-beyond-matched-betting/
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/ew-arbing/
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/early-prices/
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/the-bookie-angel-twitter/

    HTH guys, and please chip in if I’ve missed anything.

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    betman 41

    This posts gone a bit quiet.
    Good question bobster, I’ve not suffered as bad as you but now in the boat where my options are more limited due to restrictions. I guess a balance of bets helps rather than just hitting the 9 runner odds on favs….. plus not winning.
    Betbright served me well for a while, but then everything came 1st and I actually think they have me marked as ultra sharp now – as aside from not taking my bets they seem to instantly review the price of a horse if I try and back it – one went suspended for a few mins and 2 shortened within a minute (this was races couple hrs off).

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    orlandosteve 2

    the thread has been quiet, as soon as I get back into this line of profit I will post any tips.

    You have done well with Bet Bright Betman, they are synominus with stake restrictions.

    Not winning would certainly help but most of the time you underlay the place so need it to place to show a profit, whilst your return would only be a little more than your stake you would still draw attention to your account. Mixing it up would help, placing similar e/w stakes on none Arb races. But who has the time to do this? I struggle to mug bet on promotions allowed accounts let alone these gubbed accounts.

    On the whole Bobster I think you have been unlucky, I certainly haven’t had the restrictions you speak of on so little bets. Presumably your using gubbed accounts so just plough on, you have nothing to lose as what else would you use the account for?

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    betman 41

    I didn’t take the piss with the Betbright £100 offers. Took the low ql favourite approaches rather than some of the arbs they had available and I saw people take.

    I meant not coming first, I underlay too so want to hit 2nd or 3rd. I’ve used a number of ungubbed accounts, more profit per hour in this anyway.
    Not necessarily mug bets, but smaller value Eway bets without the clear favourite or chasing some mb2nd, bog on favourite or faller insurance thrown in the middle…. but again time v money

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    deathstar 25

    Arbs galore in the 4.20 ascot, especially with the few bookies who are paying 1/4 (Netbet, Unibet, 365, 888 etc. info from oddschecker so check before you bet.) Only 8 runners though so beware non runners.

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    devans 0

    So 1 non runner means game over for this race then.
    I’ll be on it but small, wouldn’t expect many non runners seeing as it’s a group 1

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    deathstar 25

    hopefully not, its a big meeting after all but you never know.
    you should be able to lay off in the 2 place market on betfair for minimal damage if there is a non-runner. the main danger here is if one suddenly decides not to run at the off and it reverts to 2 places with no time to do anything or you’ve already lay on the 3 place market.

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    devans 0

    We all love a bit of danger deathstar.

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    orlandosteve 2

    Barney Roy@365 is 3.75/3.8/1.27. That’s £1.48 profit for every fiver as a str8 lay barring the non runner monster.

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    orlandosteve 2

    Made £40 on Barney Roy

    365 on the 15:05 are 4 places 1/4 odds.

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    sleepless 9

    All sweating on the 14.20 again boys?.
    place arbs on everything?.

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    orlandosteve 2

    20:30 Newbury Swanson Blue 10/8.8/2.66 Bet365/BF.

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    orlandosteve 2

    365 dropped but Stan/Sporting bet still 10.

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    Mr Crispy 32

    Orlando – a couple of e/w edge bets on that race would soften the blow if there is a non-runner..

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    betman 41

    So oddsmonkey has the eway matcher, can be good but often misses out when the place hasn’t yet shortened-

    To fix this they added filters to select win only, market, tweak the %return and enter a horse name if you wish. So can get a comprehensive odds comparison from that tool- handy when most the oddschecker bookies have restricted you

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    waftycranker 5

    Having being gubbed by Ladbrokes this week I thought I’d have a go at this for the first time. I want somebody to check my calculations though if that’s okay.

    £2 each way at odds of 7.5 paying 1/4 for places

    £2.05 layed on the win at 7.2
    £2.05 layed on the place at 2.22

    Is that correct?

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