Guide to Each Way Betting (with Q+A)

  • With Cheltenham coming up, I’ve decided to write this guide and the subsequent thread to hopefully stop other threads getting hijacked by E/W betting. So all questions in here please.
    I’ve deliberately put this in the matched betting forum instead of the newbie forum because I don’t see it as a newbie skill. No offence to any newcomers, but there really is a knack to this. You have to be very confident with horse betting before you do this because if it goes wrong, it can go VERY wrong. You have been warned. Also, this needs quite a big float (1K+) so if you’re just starting out, look away now.

    Each way betting is used for two main reasons, when there is an extra place race and when there is what bookies call a “bad each way race”
    hopefully you have read Matts guide to extra places
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/extra-place-offers/

    but i’ll quickly go through the basics. First things first, When you place the bet you will notice that double the stake is taken. This is because when you bet each way you are actually placing two bets, one to win and one to place. Once you have placed your back bet, you now have to place TWO lay bets, one to cover the win part and one for the place part. Obviously, the value of each is half of your original back bet. You need to find the terms of the race and find out how many places they are paying, and at what fraction of odds. This is usually clearly stated.

    To find the place odds (in decimal odds), you subtract 1, divide by the fraction of odds, then add the 1 back on.

    Lets take Gubstar, who’s being offered at 16/1 with 1/4 place odds and 3 places.

    16/1 = 17 decimal
    17-1 = 16,
    /4 = 4
    +1 = 5
    so the place odds for Gubstar is 5.

    just to be redundant, here’s a harder one

    say he’s going off at 11/4 and its only 1/5 odds

    11/4 = 3.75 decimal
    -1 = 2.75
    /5 = 0.55
    +1 = 1.55
    so now his odds to place are 1.55

    Now you know the place odds being offered you can easily compare them to the exchange and lay accordingly.

    Doing an extra place race is pretty straight-forward, find a horse with close odds, back, lay, hope! Its usually much better to do several horses over several bookies for these offers to increase your chances of hitting the extra place. Don’t forget, most gubbed accounts can still do the extra place offers.

    To take advantage of a bad each race (E/W arbing) you have to understand how it works. Basically a bookie will offer very short odds on the favourite, and unfairly long odds on the others. That is fine on the win market, maybe the other horses really don’t have a chance (especially Gubstar), but because the other horses have a very good chance of coming second or third, by offering a fraction of the odds for the win, the numbers just don’t work anymore. Therefore the odds offered by the exchange are a much truer reflection of the odds on a horse placing, and much shorter than the bookie offers by default because of the combined nature of the each way bet. I hope that makes sense.

    The things to look for in a bad each way race is a very very short favourite (about 2.8 and below), a couple of hopefuls (around 4/1ish) and a few complete outsiders (100/1+)

    There’s a couple of ways to play these, either back and lay straight away, or you can back early and lay much closer to the off. The price almost always comes in sharply around ten- five minutes before the race and it takes nerves of steel (again not for newbies). You can also choose to fully lay to guarantee profit, or underlay to win more if you place and break even if you don’t.

    The problem with this approach is the danger of non-runners, which are two-fold.

    First, the bookie will apply “rule 4” which is where they will cut the odds AFTER YOU HAVE BET to take account of the fact there is less competition. This is fine if you have backed and laid at the same time as the exchange will recalculate as well. But if you haven’t, you need to take account of the reduction and lay accordingly. (the bookie will usually list how much they have reduced by on the race page). You can imagine the havok this causes when it happens 3 minutes out and you haven’t laid. It can save a lot of trouble to just underlay when this happens and hope you place.

    Second problem is when you have a race with the number of runners on the threshold of the place market rules. A race of more than 8 will pay out on 3 places but if one or more horses drops out and the number of runners drops below 8, the place odds will drop to 2 BUT THE EXCHANGE WILL STAY THE SAME. I assume this is because people have bet on where it will place, so its not the exact same market. Similarly for a race with 16 down to 15 or less.

    Handy guide to places:

    Handicaps of more than 15 runners 1/4 4
    Handicaps of 12-15 runners 1/4 3
    All other races of more than 8 runners 1/5 3
    All races of 5-7 runners 1/4 2
    All races of less than 5 runners – win only

    When things go wrong.
    Betfair have various markets for various places, and even an each way market, so you might find a lay that is not too much of a loss should things go wrong. You can also keep an eye on what the horses SP will be and hope for a favourable BOG (possibly). Some bookies offer cash out as well.

    Further reading:
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/my-theory-beyond-matched-betting/
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/ew-arbing/
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/early-prices/
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/the-bookie-angel-twitter/

    HTH guys, and please chip in if I’ve missed anything.

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    sleepless 9

    Diego Suarez Catt 16.25 Stan 19. Smarkets 17.5/3.85

    NOT ADVICE

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    betman 41

    Is laying the place in running a bad idea?

    Jumped on the paddy extra place a 3pm Sandown today just before the off when an even match came up on the win. The place was a bit off so just aimed to lay in running for no ql. However the market didn’t move so no1 took my bet. Oddly the win market barely moved at all either so not sure if smarkets was being screwy again as would expect movement on a big race… but first time attempting to lay a place on running

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    rhysmeredith1980 0

    Thanks to all who have co tributes to this

    Was wondering if anyone had advice as to overcome “rule 4”

    Was stung by it today when I backed early but gradually layer throughout the day. Should I have just layed at exactly same time early to overcome this?

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    deathstar 25

    @betman its tricky laying inplay because if your horse is at the back it won’t get matched, even if there is any liquidity, and if its near the front it will probably place and you’ll kick yourself for laying! It usually works much better over longer distances because theres more time for the market to form. Sleepless has had some luck with this I think.

    @rhysmeredith1980
    rule 4 is always a nightmare because there are two things to look for. first you need to work out what price you will actually get if you win, and then you have to wait for the exchange to reform its market before you can lay, if you do it before you run the risk of laying at a price that has yet to be recalculate, and then calculated later. I’ve noticed smarkets are particularly bad for this, I’ve waited well over an hour before. Now I just underlay to break even on lose and lay as close to the off as possible.

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    betman 41

    Thanks for the reply deathstar
    It was a 2 mile 7f race so should been ample time for the market to form, so seemed odd not a lot happened on smarkets even on the win market which forms and moves on 7f flat races.

    The horse finished 6th, but know what you’re saying. I’ve had lays on the win market on an outsider not match where my horse has come 3rd and been thereabouts all the way, so understand the risks even in a liquid market

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    beesty2016 3

    Rule 4 is the best rule in the world or it can be the worst rule in the world. An example of it being the best is when a horse withdraws just before the start but the runners stay above 8. main reason is the fact that the bookies apply the same rule 4 on win and the each way part. If a 20p rule 4 happens and your horse goes onto win or come in the top 3 the place market can be reduced by 50-60pc meaning your miles up.

    Where it goes wrong though is if field goes down to 7. You either lay out at a loss on the 2 tbp market or you let it ride praying your selection doesn’t come 3rd. Have had both sides of the coin but the best one I ever had was when the favourite didn’t go and they applied a 90 percent reduction on the place markets but only a 50 percent reduction on the win and the 2 horses I did came 2nd and 3rd meaning I swept up.

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    rhysmeredith1980 0

    Thanks for your help beesty and death star.

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    sleepless 9

    I lay in-race for small FB’s mostly when I can’t be arsed to find good lay odds and for a bit more fun. If I can’t get a decent lay if the price drifts I risk it also.
    Usually I pick longer chases where win odds can fluctuate quite a bit. Place odds are more constant but if a favourite is mid-division the place lay odds can be quite good. I just shove on a stake and lay odds I fancy and hope for the best. It’s real annoying when you win though.

    I tried half lay at start, half in-lay with High5, but no significant wins to recommend it.

    As to success, I don’t keep records but I’d guess I about break-even and get a good FB extraction.

    This is anecdotal so DYOR.

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    Enigma 28

    Thank you Deathstar + others for this guide. Started EW arbing at the weekend, small stakes etc. but have a couple of questions for you all:

    1. Smarkets or BF? Ive always used Smarkets for the 2% but BF has the liquidity which seems critical for laying the place. Or do most people just compare the two on the spot?

    2. What % arb do people aim / settle for on the place? Say you have £10 EW at place odds of 2.0. What lay would you take, and would you achieve this by laying the amount and hoping it gets matched, given that no-one knows the precise point the odds will stop shortening?

    cheers in advance

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    granitechin 0

    risk of a non-runner as only 8 horses but Port Paradise with Stan James is currently 67.0
    lay on betfair 60 and place 4.5!

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    Number 14 0

    Managed to get on this at 67/65 for a small QP on the win. Will lay the place nearer to the off in case of non-runner.

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    sleepless 9

    Maybe a bit in-race for a better place arb?.

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    Harambe 0

    Hard to believe Stan James odds at times. Port Paradise has been at 80.00 for some time, laying at 100.00. Place is 17/7. That’s £10 profit for a £10 E/W bet!

    Opportunity of £100 if underlayed.

    How quick are Stan James to gub? If you had just a month e/w arbing daily at their odds you’d make a small fortune.

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    Number 14 0

    Ended up making f-all out of this, as the place has drifted massively. Next time I’m not going to wait so long.

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    Harambe 0

    Of course you’d need a considerable float to put say £50 E/W on though.

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