Guide to Each Way Betting (with Q+A)

  • With Cheltenham coming up, I’ve decided to write this guide and the subsequent thread to hopefully stop other threads getting hijacked by E/W betting. So all questions in here please.
    I’ve deliberately put this in the matched betting forum instead of the newbie forum because I don’t see it as a newbie skill. No offence to any newcomers, but there really is a knack to this. You have to be very confident with horse betting before you do this because if it goes wrong, it can go VERY wrong. You have been warned. Also, this needs quite a big float (1K+) so if you’re just starting out, look away now.

    Each way betting is used for two main reasons, when there is an extra place race and when there is what bookies call a “bad each way race”
    hopefully you have read Matts guide to extra places
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/extra-place-offers/

    but i’ll quickly go through the basics. First things first, When you place the bet you will notice that double the stake is taken. This is because when you bet each way you are actually placing two bets, one to win and one to place. Once you have placed your back bet, you now have to place TWO lay bets, one to cover the win part and one for the place part. Obviously, the value of each is half of your original back bet. You need to find the terms of the race and find out how many places they are paying, and at what fraction of odds. This is usually clearly stated.

    To find the place odds (in decimal odds), you subtract 1, divide by the fraction of odds, then add the 1 back on.

    Lets take Gubstar, who’s being offered at 16/1 with 1/4 place odds and 3 places.

    16/1 = 17 decimal
    17-1 = 16,
    /4 = 4
    +1 = 5
    so the place odds for Gubstar is 5.

    just to be redundant, here’s a harder one

    say he’s going off at 11/4 and its only 1/5 odds

    11/4 = 3.75 decimal
    -1 = 2.75
    /5 = 0.55
    +1 = 1.55
    so now his odds to place are 1.55

    Now you know the place odds being offered you can easily compare them to the exchange and lay accordingly.

    Doing an extra place race is pretty straight-forward, find a horse with close odds, back, lay, hope! Its usually much better to do several horses over several bookies for these offers to increase your chances of hitting the extra place. Don’t forget, most gubbed accounts can still do the extra place offers.

    To take advantage of a bad each race (E/W arbing) you have to understand how it works. Basically a bookie will offer very short odds on the favourite, and unfairly long odds on the others. That is fine on the win market, maybe the other horses really don’t have a chance (especially Gubstar), but because the other horses have a very good chance of coming second or third, by offering a fraction of the odds for the win, the numbers just don’t work anymore. Therefore the odds offered by the exchange are a much truer reflection of the odds on a horse placing, and much shorter than the bookie offers by default because of the combined nature of the each way bet. I hope that makes sense.

    The things to look for in a bad each way race is a very very short favourite (about 2.8 and below), a couple of hopefuls (around 4/1ish) and a few complete outsiders (100/1+)

    There’s a couple of ways to play these, either back and lay straight away, or you can back early and lay much closer to the off. The price almost always comes in sharply around ten- five minutes before the race and it takes nerves of steel (again not for newbies). You can also choose to fully lay to guarantee profit, or underlay to win more if you place and break even if you don’t.

    The problem with this approach is the danger of non-runners, which are two-fold.

    First, the bookie will apply “rule 4” which is where they will cut the odds AFTER YOU HAVE BET to take account of the fact there is less competition. This is fine if you have backed and laid at the same time as the exchange will recalculate as well. But if you haven’t, you need to take account of the reduction and lay accordingly. (the bookie will usually list how much they have reduced by on the race page). You can imagine the havok this causes when it happens 3 minutes out and you haven’t laid. It can save a lot of trouble to just underlay when this happens and hope you place.

    Second problem is when you have a race with the number of runners on the threshold of the place market rules. A race of more than 8 will pay out on 3 places but if one or more horses drops out and the number of runners drops below 8, the place odds will drop to 2 BUT THE EXCHANGE WILL STAY THE SAME. I assume this is because people have bet on where it will place, so its not the exact same market. Similarly for a race with 16 down to 15 or less.

    Handy guide to places:

    Handicaps of more than 15 runners 1/4 4
    Handicaps of 12-15 runners 1/4 3
    All other races of more than 8 runners 1/5 3
    All races of 5-7 runners 1/4 2
    All races of less than 5 runners – win only

    When things go wrong.
    Betfair have various markets for various places, and even an each way market, so you might find a lay that is not too much of a loss should things go wrong. You can also keep an eye on what the horses SP will be and hope for a favourable BOG (possibly). Some bookies offer cash out as well.

    Further reading:
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/my-theory-beyond-matched-betting/
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/ew-arbing/
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/early-prices/
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/the-bookie-angel-twitter/

    HTH guys, and please chip in if I’ve missed anything.

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    dungpoodle 0

    13000 profit since xmas,,20000 in 8 months doing it and yes that was the race,i have bet on 60 percent market on certain races,,bet 365 without 2 favs have 3 times gone 7to1 the rest of the feild the 6 runners remaining WTF.making a certain profit for me with some of them 20s and 16s i couldnt believe my eyes ..someone said to me if its to good to be true then it probably isnt,WRONG..
    In many cases i back all the remaining feild and back the fav without the fav or 2 favs if that makes sense to be placed 2 places or 3 places thats the one i dont want but still make a profit on the race if anything else wins boom…remember when calculating the bet dont figure it out for the win part just ew if its placed the win part will take care of itself.
    365 are normally the shortest for the one i dont want ive seen go 1to10 so the other horses are massive while BV or laddys sky will be 1to2 the one i dont want.you cant do it without 365 as they are clueless,,in the race i mentioned them 200to1 horses were 200to1 with the fav favs in the race and 200s without..i hope this explains it a little if i see a race i will post on here what i would of done.good luck guys

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    dungpoodle 0

    just start off by 1 point being 20 back if placed ie if 5th of the odds 3 places without fav or favs,the race normally needs to be 8to12 runners and usually novice hurdles maidens novice chases certainly not handicaps
    10 to1 6.65 ew
    5 to1 10ew
    17 to2 8 ew
    50 to1 1.85 ew etc
    its alot easier to explain in person so bare with me guys i will do my best to try and win you guys a few bob.

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    dungpoodle 0

    fog beleive me this stratergy is the best ive seen or herd of…i did 10 points on this as someone mentioned so for my 660 wagered the least i could get back was 1000,thats 340 profit right there barring the act of god with a chance of a big payout and every race i have done for the last 8 months or so i have every runner bar 1 in the feild for a good payout and still make a profit what ever the outcome granted the race i used as an example was one of the best ive seen they are more common than what you think..
    just remember the example race the 1to50 shot really only lose 1in 50 times more like 1in8 or 1in10 imo even it won 50 times on the spin i still make 340 a race,,,,
    without 2 favs is slightly harder as 365 and hills if i remember right only do ew without the 2 favs the rest are win only..
    the win only can be used as it states you can back all horses to win without fav favs sometimes at 90 percent market so i would put 900 on to make 100 for nothing arbing.

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    FoG_BLoG 49

    Thanks dungpoodle I will keep an eye on it.

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    bbobb 24

    Backing every runner in the in the race is a quickfire method to the gubstick.

    If it really is +ev then backing 1 or 2 in every 9 or 10 runner suitable race and taking 1 or 2 out to take it down to 8 runners (3 places paid) should make money.

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    FoG_BLoG 49

    Take the two favourites out of the 2:10 in Kempton and you are left with 8 horses.

    Thats 1/5 for 1-2-3 on an each way bet without favourites.

    The 1/5 odds adds up to a 280% market which means there is value in there some where on the place (maybe what you are losing on the wins negates this though?).

    But it will cost me £243 to back 6 horses and guarantee at least one of the places with two favourites. So only guaranteeing £100.

    It looks to me a candidate because bar the first 4 horses which we are ignoring the rest are long enough odds 10/1+. But its still way off being able to cover everything like the example.

    Maybe the 2:00 in Southwell will be better when they put up the market.

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    bbobb 24

    I think the value in this is going to be betting the big outsiders in jumps races plugging on for 4th or 5th place prize money after beaten horses in contention ease down or pull up.

    You could even lay the win part of the bet and treat it like win an extra (win) place bet.

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    FoG_BLoG 49

    Or Bangor 2:50 without the two favs leaves odds 1.062, 17, 19, 21, 29. e/w 1/4 1-2.

    You can ignore the 1.062 odds on and bet e/w on the rest and guarantee one places but still costing £134 to cover those 4 horses for only £100 return.

    I am sure there is value in one of the horses but which one? The place market adds up to 165% for 2 places, fair would be 200%.

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    sleepless 9

    Fog
    Can you explain how he works out how much to stake ew with his points system please?.

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    bbobb 24

    I think the value comes from the unexpected results.

    Subtle Soldier seems to be the one with a squeek of a chance.

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    FoG_BLoG 49

    You are staking enough to win £100 on the place.

    Example in the Bangor race.

    So on the 17.0 horse with 1/4 odds to place the place odds are 5.0. So you stake £20 e/w. (100 divided by 5)

    So for all horses ….

    1.062 … dont back.
    17.0/5.0 … back £20 e/w = total stake £40.
    19.0/5.5 … back £18.18 e/w = total £36.36.
    21.0/6.0 … back £16.67 e/w = total £33.33
    29.0/8.0 … back £12.50 e/w = total £25

    So you are either down £34 or else win big if something happens to the 1.062 horse.

    But he mentioned other sites Ladbrokes etc. I wouldnt go backing all horses just on 365 as that will look suss. I think on an e/w market it is natural to back 2 or 3 horses though …

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    sleepless 9

    Cheers FoG – that’s alot simpler to understand.
    I got the rest of his posts – just need to find a suitable race. Easy!

    PS Should possibility of NRs be taken into account?.

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    jamieek 0

    Whats meant by “taking the 2 favs out”

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    FoG_BLoG 49

    Sleepless – yes non-runners is the big risk like always. And also I think the “act of God” will come into play more often than maybe you might think. I’ve seen races where there wasn’t even a 2nd place finisher. So if only the three favourites finish then you are down your total stakes with zero return.

    jamieek – in bet365 click more markets and you can see odds for the race “without” either the favourite or “without” the two favourites. So its basically odds for a mini race among the rest of the field. It seems dungpoodle was able to manufacture his own bad e/w races by removing favourites where it made sense.

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    GEEBEES 0

    Just worked it out on bet365 as by taking out the 2 fav you get
    2.50 bangor…..
    1.071 ignore like post says…
    21/6 stake 16.66/33.32 Win 333.20 + place 83.30 = 416.50
    29/8 stake 12.50/25.00 Win 350.00 + place 87.50 = 437.50
    19/5.50 stake 18.18/36.36 Win 327.24 + place 81.81 = 409.05
    17/5 Stake 20.00/40.00 Win 320.00 + place 80.00= 400.00
    Total spend £134.68

    min profit if the 1.071 wins. so a place part of 80+20 stake back=100 so 34.68 down
    min profit if the 1.071 places 2nd we win min 320.00+80+40 stake back=440 =305profit
    if 2 of our horses come in min win 320+place 80 and min place with other horse 81.81
    so total back £539.99- spend of £134.68=profit £405.31
    Hope i got this right…..

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