What are your experiences of multi accounting?
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The amount of profit that could be added by including a few more accounts (especially with all the new sign up offers on top) is enticing yet people can get real funny over money and whilst I do feel there are at least 3 people I could ‘trust’, you just never know how people will react when they see the turnover from match betting.
Turnover vs profit is obviously something I need to explain in detail…but what are people’s experiences…has it ever gone wrong playing in someone else’s name? Do you stick to very close family, or have you trusted friends?
Really considering it, but would love to hear some of your experiences so I can know what to expect…has anyone ever had a real close friend/family member cause a problem when you have been using an account in their name?
+0May 12, 2017 at 9:21 pm
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Thanks for the reply Steve. Don’t some VPN and VPS companies offer static IP addresses aswell?
If I went down the dongle route, could I be connected to the internet via my home wi-fi on OSX and be connected to the dongle’s mobile broadband through a virtual machine such as parallels or is this not possible?
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Surely we want variable IP addresses in order to minimise the chances of detection which is why we don’t use our home broadband, but use mobiles and dongles where different IP addresses can be obtained. Are you suggesting that a static IP address VPN is desirable? I don’t get it, if so.
My current plan is to use a Chromebook for several multiple accounts and use a (regularly rebooted) MiFi for IP address differentiation.
+0Also make sure iesnare is uninstalled and blocked from your computer as this is how bookmakers spy on you.
+1So, you can use the same 4g used for previous accounts?
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Use dedicated servers OR virtual machines (VMWare or Virtual Box) + ssh to mask your PC.
If you use only VPN from your own computed you WILL end being banned. 100%. Soon on not so, but you WILL.PayPal is good for funding, but DO NOT send friends&family payments vice versa – PayPal will suspend EVERY account you use. It is much better to make exchanges to bitcoins from your “friends”‘ PayPal accounts.
Alternatively you can use ANY mobile only bank – there are plenty of them in the UK. Some offer free Virtual cards, so you can create if by yourself (of course with use of Virtual machines, not from your own PC + VPN, its totally bad idea once again!!)
Do not link your own PayPal/bank account to your “friends”‘ Paypals and Bank accounts. Its fro your privacy.
+0Could you elaborate on the process of bitcoin transfers via Paypal?
+0BookerG can you expand on your thinking please, ideally with some verifiable real world examples? I’m trying to understand what possible reason Paypal would have for suspending accounts of people sending payments to/from friends and family?
Personally I don’t multi-account but I do use that service and have done for many years, and I have many friends and family with bookmaker accounts who fund them with PayPal, as do I. I would imagine this is a very common scenario. Never once have PP suspended any account that I’m aware of and I can’t think of any reason why they would. I’ve asked a number of friends who I know use PP for bookmaking and who also regularly transfer money with F&F and, well, it’s not happened to anyone I know. I’m not saying it’s never happened or cant’ happen, but you state that if you use F&F and if those accounts fund bookies accounts “PayPal will suspend EVERY account you use”. I don’t think PayPal would have lasted very long if that were the case.
Given the volatility of crypto currencies, using them introduces a currency risk to avoid what I think is a phantom threat and is in my view very bad advice indeed.
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It’s true they are very quick to suspend accounts, I can confirm from personal experience.
My take on it was that it’s quite transparent to see what’s going on, if Peter is sending money to Paul so Paul can deposit at a bookie, then Paul sends all withdrawals straight back to Peter. Why should PayPal take any risks whatsoever with anti money laundering rules etc in mind?
Sending money to family and friends is obviously not the same as using family and friends accounts as gnoming accounts.
I’m unsure how exactly a bitcoin transfer would work to get around this though, so very interested on others thoughts on this.
+0Nick I’m sorry but I’m not understanding this.
If your Paypal account was suspended and all you were doing was what you describe, why did they suspend it? If they suspect laundering they would have to report that to the authorities .. so what reason did they give for the suspension? Did they un-suspend the account? Did they suspend other accounts?
As for Bitcoin here’s the facts. It’s not instant, it’s not backed by any guarantees, it’s additional complexity and in addition to the ballache it introduces entirely unnecessary risk due to very high volatility. Have you not seen what’s happened to cryptos recently?
Finally, the only reason that anyone would seek to use a crypto for what would I’m sure be relatively high volumes of possibly large sums would be … laundering. People use it specifically to cover their tracks. Unless that’s absolutely essential to you I urge you to avoid it. Paypal by contrast is entirely tracable and legit. Nobody would use it for laundering as every transaction is transparent.
+0Without wanting to go into too much detail on specific circumstances, there was only one account suspended. But the speed this happened suggested a zero-tolerance to any deviation to ‘sending money to family and friends’ as it is intended. Clearly, what we are talking about is not what this fee-free money transfer is intended for.
The reasoning was some fairly generic ‘you can no longer use your account due to non compliance with ts & cs’.
I agree any use of bitcoin/crypto is far from ideal, but I’m struggling to see any alternatives. There were other options but bookies have clamped down on payment methods recently.
Is the Paypal method something you have been using? Or do you have any experience with alternatives?
+0I have transferred probably around £100k between 2 or 3 Paypal accounts in the last couple of years without a problem.
Don’t even think about bitcoin unless you are willing to gamble the lot.
+0Hmm ok, would make my life a lot easier if I could use Paypal, but strange that account was suspended so quickly.
After reading what BookerG had said I assumed it was a common reason for account closure.
May have to see if they will reopen and give some clarification.
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Like bbobb i have used 4 paypal accounts logging in on same device etc and transferred £200-£300k between accounts using family and friends with no problems apart from the verifying accounts after 2k of transfers.
I just use same device on 4g for all accounts and have done for almost 3 years with no problemz. Sometimes you all go too deep into stuff. B365 do not care what device you use and allow mutiple family members accounts from same address+0Over many years and a LOT of cash moving between PP accounts I have never had any issues and none of my friends/family either. In any case I can’t see what the issue would be, as far as PP are concerned.
Matt any chance you can take down that ‘advice’ of using Bitcoin? I genuinely worry that someone might take this route and get into all sorts of trouble.
All the stuff about you ‘WILL’ be banned if you use a VPN is utter guff too.You’re not trying to avoid the CIA and Supert says they don’t really care, it’s not a factor in getting gubbed. Consistently taking value and hammering promos gets you gubbed. In short, doing what we do gets you gubbed and it’s all part of the dance.
Small point worth noting – 365 don’t let you sign up or log in over some VPNs. That’s the only one I personally know of.
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I don’t think the Bitcoin references need taking down @jimmyjames as you guys have put forward your counterarguments and made your thoughts clear on the matter.
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