William Hill New Horse Racing Offer

  • Hi all. I’m fairly new to matched betting so still getting to grips how to play certain offers. My first thought was this looks good but not sure how to play it. Any advice??

    HIGH 5
    Our New Horse Racing Offer

    One in three National Hunt (jumps) races were won by five or more lengths last season.

    With that in mind, we give you our new racing offer – High 5. Place a bet on selected jumps meetings, and if a horse wins by 5 or more lengths…

    » Back the winner and you’ll get a 25% bonus.
    » Finish second and get money back as a free bet.

    There’s a High 5 meeting every single day:
    ‣ Friday and Saturday – All jumps meetings.
    ‣ Sunday to Thursday – One selected meeting.
    ‣ All live Channel 4 races

    It all starts this Friday, just in time for the top class racing at Cheltenham’s three day Open Meeting.

    So if your horse romps home, or finishes behind a clear winner, we’ve got this jumps season covered.

    LATEST RACE CARDS
    Terms & Conditions
    ‣ 6 or more horses must run to qualify.
    ‣ Singles only.
    ‣ All bonuses paid as a free bet.
    ‣ Maximum for 25% win bonus = £100.
    ‣ Maximum for Money Back 2nd = £25.
    ‣ Only your first bet on the race will count.
    ‣ Available on Mobile, Internet, Text, Telebetting & in Shops.
    ‣ Full terms apply.

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    Tony C
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    300 going in Hills tomorrow. Cheers and hope for some luck

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    bbobb 21

    Bumpers (NH Flat) are allowed for this offer.

    10 minutes before the off WH move to industry prices and it’s then you can get at least a match.

    As others have said, stick to favourites or next best.

    At the start aim for around £25 bonus per race (stake to win £100), then move up when you hit a couple of winners.

    Laugh at the 4.5L winners, rarely do you see 5.5L or 3.5L in the official results but 4.5 seems to crop up quite often.

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    Tony 12

    Didn’t realise flat races count, bit weird as the headline offer clearly refers to “jumps” but good to know @bbobb

    I had a 4.75L winner a few weeks back ?

    Who decides the distance btw, and is it just gauged by eye?

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    sleepless 8

    Distances are calculated on the elapsed time between each horse and then a scale known as the Lengths per Second Scale (Lps) is used dependent upon whether it is Flat or Jumps racing, the type of surface in use at the all-weather fixtures and the official going description issued on the day. The Scales used vary from four to five Lps for Jumps racing and from five to six Lps on the Flat. When the going description distinguishes between different parts of the course, the scale relating to the going in the straight is applied. The table for the Lengths per Second Scale (Lps) can be viewed here. For more details view our Guide to Handicapping.

    If anyone understands this, please explain.

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    FoG_BLoG 47

    “HOW DOES THE JUDGE CALCULATE THE DISTANCES? / 29 APR 14

    Distances are calculated on the elapsed time between each horse and then a scale known as the Lengths per Second Scale (Lps) is used dependent upon whether it is Flat or Jumps racing, the type of surface in use at the all-weather fixtures and the official going description issued on the day. The Scales used vary from four to five Lps for Jumps racing and from five to six Lps on the Flat. When the going description distinguishes between different parts of the course, the scale relating to the going in the straight is applied. The table for the Lengths per Second Scale (Lps) can be viewed here. For more details view our Guide to Handicapping.” – britishhorseracing.com.

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    FoG_BLoG 47

    Haha. Great minds sleepless and Tony have you never heard of google 😉

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    Tony 12

    Thanks fellas… was just following the trend on here of asking someone else to check for me, haha 😉

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    FoG_BLoG 47

    sleepless it more or less means that if you win by 1 second that equals 4 lengths. There are different scales depending on the course, the race type and the turf conditions.

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    sleepless 8

    Thanks Fog. (I did get it, was just being flippant ). I’d looked it up before as I had quite a few magical 4.5 length winners. (Still reckon the most likely calculation is based on Hills race/course promo budget, haha)

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    bbobb 21

    I didn’t realise the time thing.

    That explains why I got one up last week that looked like 3L, both horses were barely running by the end in heavy ground.

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    anondeplume 0

    Managed to pick the winner of EVERY SINGLE RACE today. Not good for the account 🙁

    And the free bet I punted? It lost.

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    tonyr 0

    Tony,

    You said “Watch odds for 15 mins before race if you can – that is when you will get the closest match, often (n)arbs. Usually almost exactly 10 mins before the off Hill will increase the price in the fav to be more in line with the exchange. This can often be when the lay will shorten in the next 60-120 seconds”

    Is your tactic therefore to back as soon as WH price goes up then wait for a minute or two before getting your lay price into your calculator? In your experience does this tend to work and not go the wrong way very often?

    Cheers,
    Tony

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    Tony 12

    My tactic is not to blindly back the improved bookie price just because it has gone up, it still needs to be close enough to the lay price, or where I think the lay price might settle.

    It is hard to explain it, but when you watch so many of these races you almost get a sense of what is going to happen next pre-off… perhaps a bit like traders claim to be able to read markets. I am not saying that I am proficient in this, or that it is a tactic that others should follow, but it is working for me.

    In the event that you haven’t layed and there is a mega-drift (which can happen) then you always have BOG to help you out although it can be a bit hairy tryng to recalculate your lay stake without knowing for sure what the SP will be.

    If you are sticking to the fav and end up letting it run (not something I have ever done so far) then there is still a good chance that your horse can win and save your bacon.

    There is clearly an element of gambling in what I am doing, but don’t forget that can go both ways and does not always cost you. Saying that, I have been burned by it, yes, so I would always advise caution and only to think about doing this if you can handle fast moving odds, re-calcs (or just knowing your numbers mentally) and are happy to accept the risk.

    I will dig out my QL/QP on the last few dozen of these I have done and post them up – you will see that sometimes I have taken hits of £5+ because of the way I do it.

    In terms of a real world case, today’s first race at Doncaster is a good example. The fav was priced at 2.20 all morning, with a lay price of 2.7 – 2.9

    10 mins before the off Hills put the price up to 2.37, then another few mins later it went to 2.5 and then eventually (and what I was waiting for) it peaked at 2.75, so I jumped on board at that point. Stakes are irrelevant.

    The lay was still flicking around 2.80 – 2.84 (which itself might be acceptable to some folk) but I held out for the lay to drop and placed my order at 2.74, which was duly matched with 1-2 mins left pre-race. I think it actually came in even more (must have done as the fav went off at 2.25 I think) but once I am on and matched I no longer care. If it hadn’t been taken, I already knew how much I was going to replace the lay bet with (often the full underlay to minimise QL when the horse wins, which is should do more often than not if it is still the fav).

    Of course there are other dynamics and characteristics that you need to think about, like the actual prices you are dealing with (1.4 vs 2.8 vs 6.0) as well as how many other runners there are and what their prices are.

    Sorry, that has turned into an absolute ramble and has cost me the chance to observe the market in the lead up to the 14:45, so I’ll leave it there and go and have a look at that now 🙂

    HTH

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    Tony 12

    Just seen that it qualified for the free bet too, looked more like 3L or 4L to me but there we go 😀

    Soldier in Action 2.2/2.2 there in 2 mins for the next

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    billybum 0

    and another 5+ lengths winner for 245 at Donnie 🙂

    QL loss = 11p lol… freebet £31.50p

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