Court siding / Live at the races / Live at the pitch side

  • Having been trading quite a bit recently on tennis it has become more and more apparant to me that the inbuilt delays of the feed to your TV / Betfair TV / any other so called live feeds are giving those of us who sit at home a real disadvantage when compared to those punters who are sitting at the courtside.

    As I watch a match on TV I can tell who has won the point by the odds movement on either Betfair or Smarkets ahead of the feed which i am watching. I have read for instance that there are/were firms/syndicates who employed people to travel to tennis tournaments and feed back the points as they were being played to someone outside the grounds giving them time to place bets ahead of the crowd. This appears to be more difficult now for these organisations to do this since the tennis authorities have banned court siding. (quite how they can tell you are doing this is a mystery to me especially these days when everyone seems to be glued to their mobiles 24/7)

    I have also noticed this with football matches when again the odds have moved a few seconds before I see the notification of a goal on screen.

    I wondered if anyone has tried the equivalent of this at say football matches with their mobile phone and if so has this given you an edge on the rest of us?

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    FoG_BLoG 47

    Never tried it. I would be interested in strategies too. Nothing would be better than heading around the country going to sporting events and being able to pay your tickets by getting a jump on the crowd before odds suspended.

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    Enigma 28

    Is advantage not largely mitigated by the in-play delay on bets?

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    MbPunter 17

    Shouldn’t be able to beat the football. The in play delay should mean the market suspends before any bets can hit the market. Probably the odd rare occurrence when it doesn’t.

    Cricket is full of snipers. Problem is you would be racing to beat others who are at the ground doing the same thing.

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    betman 40

    U can match instantly on Betfair though
    I’ve also seen (low liquidity) markets not even suspend and just keep going after a goal. Plus I have also seen chunks of money quickly match on smarkets in Big games before the market suspends.

    I think there’s also ways of getting faster streams for sports trading which gives a host of people an edge above tv viewers, not outsiders

    I guess the trick is to prep your bet then pull the trigger the second something happens. Tennis, t20 cricket or darts (if close and sober enough to clearly see) would be ideal as each piece of action would swing the price. But you could even watch a horse race with a lay ready for a potential faller.

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    beesty2016 3

    Went to a test match once and had a 15 min spell of seeing odds move as players hit a boundary. A wicket can make odds change very quickly but if I go to a sporting event I’m there to enjoy it and not think about making money.

    I would guess there are people who do it and have made a living out of it.

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    MbPunter 17

    Try a non televised Domestic T20. The market doesn’t move for upto 10 seconds. You won’t get rich though, the liquidity just isn’t there.

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    tennispunter 2

    Thanks all for the input.

    I think you are right @Betman in that there maybe something in having your bet prepped in advance and as the point is won/goal goes in you pull the trigger. How else can one account for the sudden change in odds ahead of the TV pictures as each point in tennis is won/lost?

    Wrong time of year to try this out in this country now for tennis and I will just have to wait for the summer. Maybe those of you who are football fans could try this out albeit I can see that to some extent it could take away the enjoyment if you are constantly worrying about getting a bet matched at the right moment.

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    betman 40

    My guess would be it’s more automated so they hit a button to input the out come of a point etc then that triggers a back/lay
    Tennis is a liquid market so justifies that, but if you can find a market (like mbpunter) suggested that doesn’t warrant automation you’d probably have the edge over what liquidity is there

    As beesty said most things I’d go to I’d want to enjoy though. Useful thought to understand though

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    bbobb 21

    I think the best sport to do this would be golf at a big tournament.

    Find a decent spot at a tricky hole and back/lay each player as they come through depending on where their approach lands.

    You could probably make a few quid on each player as they pass through….TV can be minutes behind golf and show shots “as live” that actually happened minutes ago.

    And if you like golf it probably wouldn’t affect your enjoyment of the day.

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    tennispunter 2

    uuum an interesting suggestion bbobb – I fear that golf for me is rather like drawing teeth so I am not certain i would want to invest a day in this, but I imagine many on this forum might want to think about give this a go?

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    marktuck199 9

    It’s not as easy as it seems but can be quite profitable. From tennis, I had around 15000e per month, from soccer few thousands, basketball… But it takes some specific bookmakers and a lot of preparation… I am now out of business for some short time but will probably get back as nothing beats free money.

    If anyone is interested in methods just PM me.

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    The Minister 5

    Could work on some occasions.. I tried it at an Italian third division match or fourth I’m not sure.

    It finished 1-0 and the market froze when the striker was about to shoot. It did look like he would score but no way was it guaranteed.

    I’m not sure if a betfair app would work better , so you could get round any delays before it freezes the market??

    The home team that scored were quite apt though… Gubbio!!

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    bbobb 21

    Some of the lower Scottish league matches have less than 50 people at them…if you figured out who was updating the live feeds I’m sure a backhander wouldn’t go amis at a crucial point.

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    Dave_Jones 7

    This was very popular at one time but just like match betting it has become far more difficult to make any decent money. The people who are left doing it and making a lot of cash are very professional about it, and tend to give very little information away as to what they do. Can’t say I blame them really.

    Some people have software and hardware either produced themselves or created by others for them in order to speed up the process and help avoid detection. I know one person who has spent over £5k on programmers to write bespoke software for him. I don’t know how much money he makes but if your spending that kind of money on coders then I would imagine he is doing very well. He spends a lot of time travelling around the race courses in the UK and Ireland.

    From what comments he has made though, I get the impression that the fun of it all soon wears off and he treats it as a job all be it very well paid. It means he is often away from his family for days at a time, spending his nights in hotels. He makes some of his money from automated in play trading. I think if this could come close to what he makes from track siding he would pack in the track siding and just trade from home.

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    marktuck199 9

    5k for software is nothing as amounts that they are dealing with everyday are from 5-10 000e. But still, there are lot of stuff to be settled with it(Scouts, travel costs, accounts costs) and they surely spent lot of money on learning how to do it. I live from doing it on different sports and courts, but there is less and less space to do it. I expect it to be hugely profitable for one more year and after that most of courtsiders will have to stop doing it. Reason is that sport on which it’s done most is Tennis and ITF has contract with best bookmaker for doing it only 1 more year. After that, it will be much different by my opinion

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