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Galway 5:35 rule 4 – help needed

  • Need the help of someone smarter than me! Basically I backed the winner Perle De La Mer in the 5:35. Joy for Mary which was on a massive drift became a late withdrawal after falling through the stalls.

    I had the following bets on the winner:

    William Hill – 80 ew 6/1 – bet 15 mins before off (20% R4)
    Paddy Power – 80 ew 5/1- bet 10 mins before off (10% R4)

    I did quite well out of this but what I do not understand is how one bookie has applied a higher percentage than the other. At the time of the withdrawal all bookies were offering the same prices as this often happens 10 mins before the race.

    Does anyone know if I can find a table of the prices when these horses were withdrawn. It confuses me how one bookie is different to the other and I have worked out that this is a 60 quid difference.

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    beesty2016
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    September 5, 2016 at 6:05 pm

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    supert 8 September 5, 2016 at 6:23 pm

    The r4 depends on the price of the horse that was pulled out. There should be a table of what the r4 is on each of the different bookies set of rules… they may have different tables with different deductions… paddy power also had a 20p r4 but on the plus side the race became 1/4 odds!!!!
    Could have been a nightmare that race if horse had fin 3rd :( should have been £50 profit but only £40 for me in the end cos of the r4 ffs!!
    On plus side if you backed del potro 3-0 @ 3.75 they paid as a winner and void on smarkets … every cloud and all that nice £110 profit on that little beauty

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    supert 8 September 5, 2016 at 6:48 pm

    Just read your post again mate…. you only got 10p r4 paddy…. i def got 20p …. £30ew @ 9.0 only paid £300…. all i can think is Whill r4 was on early prices and 10p r4 was on show prices….????
    Did you get £610 back from Paddy beasty?? Thats what return should be with 10p r4??

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    beesty2016 7 September 5, 2016 at 6:56 pm

    Super t. After writing this will hill manually adjusted my account with the extra 60 quid that I expected….

    Yes super t in my account the bet returned 610 as you’ve calculated.

    I’ve just calculated yours and your return should be 330 on the bet that you’ve placed. I guess it’s worth asking on live chat.

    Thanks for the info also if you need evidence https://www.flatstats.co.uk/non-runners.php#comments

    This link should help as I wrote a comment there and the bloke said it was 6/1 when withdrawn. Thus being 10p under the terms and conditions.

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    supert 8 September 5, 2016 at 8:01 pm

    Hi just looked up paddys rules and up to 4/1 r4 20p … if this horse was 6/1 then r4 10p like you say… will contact live chat to see what the bobby moore is :(

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    beesty2016 7 September 5, 2016 at 8:51 pm

    Good luck with it mate. Let me know how it goes.

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    supert 8 September 5, 2016 at 9:14 pm

    Hi been onto them 3 times… official results show 10p r4 all bets… every single bookie base their r4 deduction on the price the hotse was at time of withdrawal….. which was and they admiyted was 6/1 …. apparently Paddy rules say it was based on the early price??? I said ive worked in industry 15 years and its based on horse price when withdrawn??? They are adiment it cos that horse was 7/2 at the time i backed mine… prob end up with a gubbing lol

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    beesty2016 7 September 5, 2016 at 10:10 pm

    That’s a joke mate. Especially when I have mine all there and i was questioning my hills payment.

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    supert 8 September 6, 2016 at 5:03 pm

    Beesty it appears pappdys rules doffer from other bookies… they take the r4 deduction based on the price was when my bet was struck not on the price it was when withdrawn!!! Im guessing thiu if had been evs when withdrawn they would have tanked me with that r4 instead of based on the 7/2 when my bet was struck

    Out of curiousity beesty did you lay the place or just hope it didnt get 3rd??

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    beesty2016 7 September 8, 2016 at 2:03 pm

    That’s all pretty interesting and a little frustrating. Yes I did lay the place as was doing it as part of my each way theory. I did get very lucky with the positioning and also the fact that I was also on the one that withdrew at a loss because of the drift.

    Interesting to know for the future with paddy’s rules as if you get on a horse that drifts you could be losing but if you are on a horse that steams in your onto a winner. Just seems like I got a little lucky in this race as the winner could easily have come 3rd.

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