Guide to Each Way Betting (with Q+A)

  • With Cheltenham coming up, I’ve decided to write this guide and the subsequent thread to hopefully stop other threads getting hijacked by E/W betting. So all questions in here please.
    I’ve deliberately put this in the matched betting forum instead of the newbie forum because I don’t see it as a newbie skill. No offence to any newcomers, but there really is a knack to this. You have to be very confident with horse betting before you do this because if it goes wrong, it can go VERY wrong. You have been warned. Also, this needs quite a big float (1K+) so if you’re just starting out, look away now.

    Each way betting is used for two main reasons, when there is an extra place race and when there is what bookies call a “bad each way race”
    hopefully you have read Matts guide to extra places
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/extra-place-offers/

    but i’ll quickly go through the basics. First things first, When you place the bet you will notice that double the stake is taken. This is because when you bet each way you are actually placing two bets, one to win and one to place. Once you have placed your back bet, you now have to place TWO lay bets, one to cover the win part and one for the place part. Obviously, the value of each is half of your original back bet. You need to find the terms of the race and find out how many places they are paying, and at what fraction of odds. This is usually clearly stated.

    To find the place odds (in decimal odds), you subtract 1, divide by the fraction of odds, then add the 1 back on.

    Lets take Gubstar, who’s being offered at 16/1 with 1/4 place odds and 3 places.

    16/1 = 17 decimal
    17-1 = 16,
    /4 = 4
    +1 = 5
    so the place odds for Gubstar is 5.

    just to be redundant, here’s a harder one

    say he’s going off at 11/4 and its only 1/5 odds

    11/4 = 3.75 decimal
    -1 = 2.75
    /5 = 0.55
    +1 = 1.55
    so now his odds to place are 1.55

    Now you know the place odds being offered you can easily compare them to the exchange and lay accordingly.

    Doing an extra place race is pretty straight-forward, find a horse with close odds, back, lay, hope! Its usually much better to do several horses over several bookies for these offers to increase your chances of hitting the extra place. Don’t forget, most gubbed accounts can still do the extra place offers.

    To take advantage of a bad each race (E/W arbing) you have to understand how it works. Basically a bookie will offer very short odds on the favourite, and unfairly long odds on the others. That is fine on the win market, maybe the other horses really don’t have a chance (especially Gubstar), but because the other horses have a very good chance of coming second or third, by offering a fraction of the odds for the win, the numbers just don’t work anymore. Therefore the odds offered by the exchange are a much truer reflection of the odds on a horse placing, and much shorter than the bookie offers by default because of the combined nature of the each way bet. I hope that makes sense.

    The things to look for in a bad each way race is a very very short favourite (about 2.8 and below), a couple of hopefuls (around 4/1ish) and a few complete outsiders (100/1+)

    There’s a couple of ways to play these, either back and lay straight away, or you can back early and lay much closer to the off. The price almost always comes in sharply around ten- five minutes before the race and it takes nerves of steel (again not for newbies). You can also choose to fully lay to guarantee profit, or underlay to win more if you place and break even if you don’t.

    The problem with this approach is the danger of non-runners, which are two-fold.

    First, the bookie will apply “rule 4” which is where they will cut the odds AFTER YOU HAVE BET to take account of the fact there is less competition. This is fine if you have backed and laid at the same time as the exchange will recalculate as well. But if you haven’t, you need to take account of the reduction and lay accordingly. (the bookie will usually list how much they have reduced by on the race page). You can imagine the havok this causes when it happens 3 minutes out and you haven’t laid. It can save a lot of trouble to just underlay when this happens and hope you place.

    Second problem is when you have a race with the number of runners on the threshold of the place market rules. A race of more than 8 will pay out on 3 places but if one or more horses drops out and the number of runners drops below 8, the place odds will drop to 2 BUT THE EXCHANGE WILL STAY THE SAME. I assume this is because people have bet on where it will place, so its not the exact same market. Similarly for a race with 16 down to 15 or less.

    Handy guide to places:

    Handicaps of more than 15 runners 1/4 4
    Handicaps of 12-15 runners 1/4 3
    All other races of more than 8 runners 1/5 3
    All races of 5-7 runners 1/4 2
    All races of less than 5 runners – win only

    When things go wrong.
    Betfair have various markets for various places, and even an each way market, so you might find a lay that is not too much of a loss should things go wrong. You can also keep an eye on what the horses SP will be and hope for a favourable BOG (possibly). Some bookies offer cash out as well.

    Further reading:
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/my-theory-beyond-matched-betting/
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/ew-arbing/
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/early-prices/
    https://matchedbettingblog.com/topic/the-bookie-angel-twitter/

    HTH guys, and please chip in if I’ve missed anything.

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    Chris 19

    You were right on this occassion though, give you that

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    Chris 19

    That wasn’t great due to how strong the fav was. Managed to break even.

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    sleepless 8

    You’re right Chris, although I didn’t mean it as advice. Just really giving an example of how things work at that point in time. The win odds were crap (mainly because I responded late to your tip), but it was still possible to make a risk free profit on the place and cover the win QL.
    I didn’t bet btw as I don’t do 8 or 16 runners.

    I will always now say “this is not advice” unless it is.

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    deathstar 25

    Well, that was unusual! to say the least. its not often you see ALL the horses bar the top two remain so stubbornly out of sync with the bookies. I guess First Du Charmil turned up with a gammy leg!

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    Chris 19

    Yep and I hold my hands up, you would have made more than me with your method (although I dont go for small profits like £12 on these).

    More often than not though, odds come in, some get absolutely smashed in so it would have been gutting to lay off at 12 had the odds come in to say 8 or 9.

    Bad race though, hopefully tomorrow will be much better.

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    Chris 19

    Fine margins. Ardmayle was running nicely for third, went odds on to play but at the last fence messed up and finished fourth. Would have been 70 up if he had placed.

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    Tony 12

    Nice write up @deathstar 😉

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    jamieek 0

    How much you make on the 50ew Chris, if First Du Charmil placed. Was that an arb on the win when you placed it or did you decide the odds would come in (which they did)

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    jamieek 0

    Thanks fog for clearing that up ,my understanding is getting closer but still not quite there

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    jamieek 0

    “Been looking at a couple of the types of races described (i.e. where the place market is going to be lower on the exchange), and while that seems true to an extent, the win markets on those horses are way off on the exchange (I guess because the bookies are trying to fix the problem with the place market).”

    What does this mean? How are bookmakers fixing the problem with the place market arb . Are you just saying that the bookmakers narrow the odds closer to the off on these place arb horses so you would have a huge QL loss on the win protecting themselves. Chris is saying that if you get on the bookmakers early they will give you a more true/higher price that will be layable with the exchange when the liquidity forms? Have I got all this right

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    bobster 1

    That was me @jamieek – I was just pointing out that it looks like to account for them being out of whack with the exchange place odds, the bookies offer bad (i.e. lower) win odds on some horses that should have higher odds, meaning you’ll have large QLs on the win part.

    Obviously this doesn’t matter as much if you are trading and backing early and laying later.

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    betman 41

    Q
    Do skybet pay the extra places to gubbed?

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    Mr M 19

    “This idea that because the lay price comes down close to the race – why don’t you trade it makes no sense. You can’t back the lay price.”

    Sorry if my last post didn’t make sense. What I mean was, a lot of the these ‘bad’ ew races that I have looked at to try and take value at the bookie (i.e. enhanced place back odds by virtue of the 1/4 or 1/5 place odds offered when compared to the exchange prices to place), I have seen the place odds drop at the exchange (both back and lay) more often than not. For my own benefit, I am going to start monitoring this, because if it happens say 75% of the time, I feel that I can make money trading this trend. Just wondered if anyone else had already looked at this?

    So say the odds on Betfair for horse a to place (which you can only get £5 on at the bookie ew) is trading at 6/8 to place 30-60 mins before post, but you feel that this will come in, you could back the place at 6 and wait till nearer the off and then lay the place at lower odds of 3-4 with 5 mins before the off (which happened in the last race I was looking at but didn’t trade).

    I appreciate that this is gambling/trading and not matched betting so of course has risk. The place odds can drift and you could be screwed. But people keep saying the place odds come in, and that is also what I am stating to see, so why not trade it?

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    deathstar 25

    @betman yes you can get extra place at sky if you’re gubbed, how much money you can get on is another matter. I was limited to pennies before they finally bonus banned me.

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    jamieek 0

    right iv found a potential race should i only be backing a horse that has a higher price than is currently available on the exchange

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